January 21, 2005

  • Currently reading Rosamunde Pilcher’s Coming Home for my women’s book club. Seems to be an interesting World War II novel.


    Also reading Revelation (The Bible) and Your God is Too Safe by Mark Buchanan


    We are waiting to hear how much snow we are going to get, I think about 10 or more inches of snow. sigh.


    If you do not mind, please keep me in your prayers. I seem to be in a downward spiral of emotions, memories emerging, and sleeplessness. I know it will pass, but it is tough dealing with it in the midst.


    Well, our pastor is on part vacation, part evangelical trip, so today’s Bible study was done by the assistant pastor. My husband commented, Pastor Don makes things sound easy, Pastor Ted seems to complicate things. Today’s Bible study was Pastor Ted.


    It was very interesting though and part of it seems to fit with Buchanan’s book. I am hoping I can get this down clearly.


    He started out by asking an interesting question, “Can satan cast out satan.”


    The responses were mixed, I stated that yes he could. This, believe it or not was the right answer. I got this from all the years of counselling with my pastor. See, I came to this church with a background of the occult, big time. I remember telling my pastor that I was a white witch, that I only did good things, healing and helping others through divination. He recommended a great book for me to read The Beautiful Side of Evil, which if you haven’t read it is a good description of how satan works through what appears to the senses to be so good.


    My pastor explained to me that when I was doing a healing here was what was happening. 1. satan is the author of sickness and disease, so the sickness came from satan. 2. When I laid hands on people, cast a spell, read the cards satan removed his hand of sickness from off of the person. I was led to believe I had effected the healing with the help of whatever god or goddess I was invoking, but really it was just satan lifting his hand of sickness off of the person. At any time the satan could return the sickness, it was not a thorough healing as one that can come from God. 3. That satan wanted people to think that there were two different kinds of witchcraft good and evil, so that they would be fooled into thinking that they were doing good works, so thus would please god.


    Eventually I was able to see this, and once I saw through the deception, I was flabbergasted.


    Well, today’s Bible study added something that really excited me. At one point Jesus said that a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. When satan does his tricks and removes the disease to fool us, what is that but a kingdom divided against itself!!!!!!!


    To continue, we looked at Acts 19: 11-20 the seven sons of Sceva,  who were casting out spirits by the Jesus whom Paul preaches. The spirits ended up possessing the sons and the Israelite priest saying that, Paul I know and Jesus I know, but I do not know you, and the spirits came onto the priests.


    We also talked about the people today who claim to cast out demons. Some demons are not really demons at all, but just our problems with our own flesh. But the ones that claim to cast out demons may not be really doing so, it depends on the fruit of their works, and whether or not the person is changed. See, Jesus even said that seven more spirits will come into a house that has been vacated by one if that house is not filled up with good word. (paraphrase). That satan could also be doing a trick by making the spirits seem to be leaving the person, but it could be a trick, that we can only tell by the fruit of what happens to the person and how they change.


    He spent time talking about generational curses (something I am still working at understanding).


    He also said that today many churches do not preach the truth, that they want a friendly God who is kind of like a supermarket, and that they speak as if God will benignly look at us when we sin. That they do not speak so much of how God wants to purify us and bring us closer to holiness.


    That is where the Bible study started merging with some of what I have been reading in Your God is too Safe. In this book they talked about Uzzah, who was part of the plan of David to move the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem. That Uzzah decided to do it in a very grandiose way (chariots – the height of fashion of those days). when God had decreed that the ark was to be carried on the shoulders of the priests. That Uzzah’s way was outward show, whereas being carried on the shoulders was much more about worship and closeness to God. Well Uzzah reached out to balance the ark as if God needed Uzzah’s hand to protect Him, and in touching the ark (another rule that God said should not happen) Uzzah treated God too familiarly and ended up being struck dead. Basically when we worship in our own ways, making God our own god, doing our own thing, picking and choosing what we will accept from the Bible we are doing a similar thing to Uzzah and our worship is dead worship, not alive in Christ.


    Buchannan says on p. 32, “I recknon this: the idol of the nice god, the safe god, has done more damage to biblical faith–more damage to people coming to faith–than the caricatue of the tyrant god ever did.


    P. 33 “Scripture elsewhere tells us that the “ruler of the air has blinded our eyes” to the truth. But one of the main ways the devil has done that is through the cult of the safe god. The safe god has pretty much killed the power of recognition in us, and so when the real God comes into our midst, we mostly don’t even bother to look up. The safe god has no power to console us in grief or shake us from complacency or rescue us from the pit.”


    He goes on to say that God is a consuming fire whose main purpose is not to get us parking places, make the weather confrom to our will, etc. His main purpose is to make us holy.


    P. 33 “The God who truly is, who seeks you and me, who desires our holiness, is far more loving and comforting than the safe god. And the true God is far more fierce and fearsome than the bullying and petulent god of our imaginations. But His anger is not irritability: It is the distillation of His justice, His hatred of evil. It is what we would want, even demand, from a good God.


    ****


    Now regarding generational curses, I think my salvation helped to break one because I did not perpetuate the abuse I received as a child onto my children and I did not marry a man who abuses either me or my children. I married a loving and gentle person. So that curse was broken.


    I am still working on my relationship with God and boy do I need help with that. I often think that God wants works, and I figure that He will only like me if I am doing good things. Yet I also fear God and project the evil of my father onto God and run from Him.


    Never once did I know a God with the kind of familiarity that David had, or some people seem to have where they assume God’s love , and know that they are safe in God’s hands. I keep being afraid that God will be fickle and turn. That is as much putting God into a box as reaching out like Uzzah did.


    One day I was reduced to tears when I watched a little kid fall down and run to his father’s arms and crawl into the lap with an assurance that his father would hold him, comfort him, and take care of him. I never once knew that kind of safety as a kid, so when people tell me to run to God’s arms, crawl into his lap, let God close, I freeze, I break out into a cold sweat, and run away. Or else try to hide, I don’t know what a natural relationship to God is. I think that in a way I am too broken inside. Too unable to do this.


    I know this sounds crass, but it took me about a year before I could say “I love you” to God. I was afraid that if I said that that God would tell me to scram, that he didn’t love me, that I would be rejected. I am more comfortable with the distant, judgemental God that some portray God as, and I know that God is not that cruel.


    How does one learn to trust God? How does one have a comfortable, relaxed relationship (respectful but relaxed)? How does God want me to approach Him? Does God really want and love me? I have so many questions and fears.


    Got to get off and let my husband on computer. Thanks for “listening.”


    Heather

Comments (19)

  • In reading this, it seems that you and I have many of the same questions, concerns and fears. I do hope we can find our way to healing and God’s love. *hug*

    P.S.: We’re getting nailed by a storm right now…supposed to get between 6-8 inches of snow. I am NOT looking forward to shoveling. LOL

  • I’ll be back to read your entry.

    Rest… indeed.

    ::hugs::

    <3

  • Hi Heather, I want to say, keep up with this bible study, sounds as though you have good leadership there.  Does God really want and love me?  Oh yes! He does both, want to love you and wants to have you as His child. Love you?  Deffinently! I believe that is why He created us all. He wants to have a close relationship with each of us, because He loves each of us, equally.  That is our very first and most important purpose in life.  He came in the form of Jesus Christ to show us how to love him and how much he loves us. My first suggestion is to “study” Jesus. He is love.  He knows each of us from before we were in our mother’s wombs.  He wants us to go to him willingly.  I am so sorry you did not have a good and real relationship with your dad. This is so sad, but it does happen, maybe that will make it so very much more special to you when you realize the differences in God’s kind of love. He can disipline, but when He does it, it is in a gentle and good way; not harsh.  How does God want me to approach Him?  As the little boy running to get in his father’s lap to be held and comforted.  How does one learn to trust God?  With blind faith and as the child trusting his parent to know what they want from just a little cry or whimper.  How does one have a comfortable, relaxed relationship : Again, as a little child lays safely besides their mother. He will feed you with His knowledge and give you peace.

    He trully does love you, Heather, and He made you worthy by Christ.  Hugs, Sandy

  • I agree with the analysis that Satan will do anything within his power to lie to people, even about healing. As for loving God, I still wonder if I know what loving Him is. It took me a long time to be able to say “I love You” to God without having to be perfect or to feel like I truly felt I loved Him. Sometimes I think my “love-er” is broken.

  • I thought the Bible didn’t attribute any power to satan ?

    I just read the entry but I don’t think it’d be good for me to say anything about it.

    Hopefully that’s okay.

    <3

  • Hi Heather,

    Yes, we are often promised heaps of snow but more often than not we get little mounds.  Our problem is the temperature and how it likes to vascillate above and below freezing when there is snow on the ground.  Our problem is not so much quantity … we here on Long Island suffer from Melt and Freeze Syndrome.  It makes driving on our already packed roads quite interesting.

    BTW the “Sesame Street” picture was in response to comments on my entry for the 20th.  If you would like to understand the humor behind the picture, you might want to read through those comments.

    Excellent Bible study.  As someone who used to be interested in the occult, white magic, astrology and divination, I can sooooo totally understand what you are talking about.

    Sorry about the relationship part though.  I am one of those that had the loving affectionate parents that gave firm but fair discipline so it is very easy for me to run to God as Abba.  But there are other human relationships that can also be a symbolism for the love God has for us, especially the marriage relationship.  Maybe looking into Song of Solomon or the letters of Paul or the Prophets in which God speaks as a lover rather than a father can help you.  Hope this helps a little.

    {hug}

    PS  I don’t know if I told you or not, but I started another xanga for my poetry.  In case you’re interested, it is called Iron_Stylus.

  • Thanks for your comment……I would say to you…..pursue intimacy with Jesus…cultivate your time with Him in worship, prayer, meditation and reading the Word……….God has said the His Spirit will lead you into ALL truth.  Sometimes we just can’t figure it all out….sometimes God just says to trust when there’s not full understanding….I pray that He surrounds you with His lovingpresence so strongly and His peace that passes ALL understanding!  I’m cheering you onward and upward!  Christy

  • I definitely am praying for you in all directions of your life sweetie! MAY GODS peace enfold you and show you truth and light in ways unimaginable! AMEN…..BLESS you and and have a wondeful and GOD FILLED saturday……………Robin

  • Wow …there is soooo much here….I was a rebellious teenager and dabbled in lots of things…drugs, promisuoous sex, alcohol, running away, skipping school, lying… on and on…..I believe that because of a breakdown in my parent’s marriage that the 3 of us kids were suddenly left alone alot and lost a father’s covering in the home…altho neither of them knew or practiced any kind of spiritual life at all…I believe it was the beginning of an unravelling in my life…one that I would eventually come back from but it took most of my life so far to do it…because like you said some of it is your flesh and some of it is outright satan’s plan to destroy you because he hates us so. I particularly had a bad time of it being the oldest and my father became inappropriate with me one time sexually and I forever became afraid of being alone with him after that…so when it came time to being alone with God I resisted. Intimacy?? I don’t think so…my father tweaked me good. I don’t know why the fruit or expression of that turned me toward a life of promisuity! But it did…but what satan intended for evil God made good…and I met a man much like yours…I don’t know maybe I was testing all the others…and they all failed until I met Mark. Not that he is perfect but he had morals and don’t ask me how I knew back then but I just did…he was the one. We married quickly…and will be celebrating our 25 anniversary in June. God uses our pain to grow us and shape us like the potter does the vessel he is making. It is shaped for the use it will have…but if youknow anything about pottery….if you don’t place it in the fire it will not be strong enough to do all that is was created to do…so trials are a good thing. It brings out the dross in us and helps us to see the impurities that must come out. Then with God’s help we are taken from glory to glory…but the pot never tells the potter what to do…He has a vision for the clay and we must understand that it is for a purpose He has made us. We are not randomly made just to populate the earth and maybe hopefully find our way…He knew us before created us and yet gives us a free will…and does all that and remains Sovereign in our lives. He must be wild and safe and loving and wise all these wonderful qualities and so much more that it will take an eternity to express and I think we will need it. God has shown such mercy and grace to me that I have come to love Him…out of the mess in my life because He first loved me…and I see my trials have given me a strength of character and a wisdom that cannot come any other way but by hardship…crawling up into His lap…I’ll chase you for it!……………….

    I hope I made sense I left alot out!! So if it makes no sense how I got from A to B so quickly…maybe I’ll need to comment again…but I just had to write…you brought out so much by your post…

    Don’t be anxious about your questions…God knows you are searching for answers and his Word says, before a word is formed on your tongue…I know it throroughly…and before it is asked I have answered it…if this was not so God would not be God…I would expect no less from someone who claims to be The GOD of all creation! He is most excellent and worthy to be praised….

    “Be anxious for nothing but by prayer and supplication and giving thanks make your requests known and the peace of God that passes all understanding will guard your heart and mind….” the rest of that scripture tells you how to practically do that…Philippians 4:6….

    Thanks for the ability to write out my thoughts…each time I do it shows me how much more I have been healed when I wasn’t looking…He is able! He is faithful…He is trustworthy…He is all that is good …He is love….

    Have a wonderful day…..may God continue to wash you with His Word and heal you….and use you as that vessel He created you to be………………..love…Kerri

  • PS…I loved your post and I am glad to have read it… I would love to sit in some of that teaching!!! …and the books you talked about sound really interesting…!….Well I better get up and make some breakfast for my family…I am a serving platter this morning….hahaha….later God may use me as a jar to pout out of….and even later still he may use me…as a bowl to hold some lucuious fruit for someone who needs to eat something nutritious….who knows I’ll just be where I need to be and let Him make the calls…love Kerri

  • Oh no!! hahahahaha……….not * pout out of….hahahah….*pour out of…for pete’s sake…..

  • OK. this is the “bowl” waiting for PassionDove to make breakfast to pour into myself.

    :: Looking for the serving platter ::

    Loved your post – Agree with my wife that there is so much here to write about. TY for sharing this.

  • Oh, thank you so very much for all the loving comments. I have tears in my eyes just thinking of the love that you showed me in my search. Well it is snowing here really hard, we may get up to 18 inches, so we may be snowed in tomorrow.

    Some of these comments I am going to respond to on your individual sites if that is ok. But one thing I wanted to say is that I appreciate the love, not condemnation, that people are showing. I guess my heart is an honest relationship with God, so I do not want to pretend to be what I am not. I am very blessed in the teachings I receive at my church and what is way cool is that our pastor also encourages us to do research and share our findings with him, if they are biblical, then he lets us teach. He keeps wanting me to share something, so I am trying to figue out what. So far the one that strikes my heart is works mentality. I kind of have the wrong feeling that if God is to love me it is because of what I do not who I am. I think a lot of people approach God like that, trying to buy His affection with service or whatever. Just a thought.

    Heather

  • I have read “The Beautiful Side of Evil”  – as well as “He came to set the Captives Free”.   Boy, that was a long time ago… but I know what you mean.  I don’t see it as satan ‘casting himself out’, but more as him manipulating people by doing and undoing.  Interesting to think about, though!

    I will keep you in my prayers.

  • Heather, this is PassionDove’s husband. I came back and read your post inmore detail as well as the comment you left on my wife’s site in response to hers above. I would like to add a couple thoughts of my own.

    First, I can feel the conflict and pain between the lines you write. One comment you made in particular stood out at me – you wondered what happened to make God hate you. The story you told about yourself (thank you for your transparancy on this!) seeing a boy run into the arms of his father also seems to underscore that this is the main area the enemy is attacking you. As long as he (satan) can keep you from seeing God as the Father he really is, it will be hard for you to accept His love.

    I think that is a central point that will bring clarity to you once you reach a point of peace on it.

    Satan would like to make us think God is mad at us, or doesn’t love us. I know there are MANY people that are hindered from a full relationship with God because they are unable to envision Him as a loving God, one whose we could crawl up into. God does not hate you, in fact he is incapable. His word clearly says that He is love. That means that even in those moments when something is happening in our lives that doesn’t feel good, we must hang on to the goodness of God. Even in the life of Job, God loved him so much he knew that Job would be transformed in the process, as well as His name glorified.

    Even this process you are going through is not a surprise to God. He knows that you will come out so much stronger on the other side. I just want to encourage you to keep pressing in and seek ways to better understand God as Father. I believe that will be a focal point of your breakthrough!

    Thanks for visitng our sites and joining our Xanga family!

    Mark

  • Heather……..I read your post , then what MARK AND KERRI  wrote…and AMEN……….AMEN……….AMEN…they have given you something great…amen………..I stand in agreement to it all…sweet HEATHER…MAY GOD seep deep into your heart………………love Robin

  • Well, it seems we are getting the snow we were promised after all. 
    It’s a good curl-up-under-some-covers-with-a-cup-of-hot-cocoa night.

    Hope all is well by you.

  • Heather, thanks for writing back.  I responded specifically to your comment on my site.  But I love your thoughts on “generational curses”… I am totally with you on that!  Your are saving not only your children, but your children’s children and onward because of the path you are now on.  Jesus loves your children and grandchildren so much that he chose you to stop this madness. 

  • ::hugs::

    Thanks.

    You’re beautiful.

    <3

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