May 18, 2005
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Last night at Bible study, someone asked a question. They heard a teaching on TV where the person speaking said that we are not the Bride of Christ, but the Body of Christ and that anyone teaching that we are the Bride of Christ was in Biblical error.
Pastor Don told us, in answer that we have to understand God in context of space and time. Who is God speaking to in space and time.
Revelation 19:11 – on: Christ is making his move on the White Horse, there is judgments, and he is making war against the enemy, and the Day of the Lord is set in motion.
Revelation 19:20 beast and false prophet sent to lake of fire. There is no mention of the Bride of Jesus in Chapter 19
Chapter 20 there is the millennial reign, the book of life is opened, death and hades put in lake of fire.
God is closing the book on the history of man. There is now a transition of relationship. Those who did not accept Christ have been cast in the lake of fire, and those who are left are now spiritual beings.
The balance has changed from a dominance of physical over spiritual to spiritual over physical.
The Eternal is permanent.
The Bible is the history of men on Earth. It does not tell us what happened before creation, and what happens after Revelation.
Pastor Don said that as a kid he used to try and imagine what life would be like. In Heaven it will not be boring, for it will be beyond anything we can ever imagine.
Pastor Don said that he and his friend used to spend time contemplating the vastness of God, something that is so awesome and beyond the scope of our thinking. That God is the eternal now. Now in every aspect of creation.
Time was invented for man.
Ch. 21 of Revelation, a new heaven and a new earth. New Jerusalem, like a bride adorned for her husband.
Ch 21:9 “Come, I will show you that bride…the Lamb’s wife..”
Another place in the Bible, the New Jerusalem is described as made of translucent stones, living stones. And we are living stones.
Then God will tabernacle with his people, and we are the people, that surrounds the holy of holies, God.
The key element of living stones is that they are translucent, and transparent, and we can look through them to the other side. We are trying to live our lives on this earth like living stones. We should be transparent and translucent in our lives so when people look at us they see God.
As living stones now, we are being shaped and formed by our circumstances. By the people around us, by the church, by our family and friends.
Then Pastor Don talked about how Christ would treat his church, and brought up the Ephesians 5:22 passages, about husbands and wives. He said that not only does this describe the physical marriage, but also the behavior of the body of Christ (which is being formed to be the bride of Christ).
Some men in the church think that this passage means that they can dominate all women, but it clearly says “own”: your own wives, not someone else’s wife.
And they are to love them the way Christ loved the church, which means being willing to lay their lives down for the wife like Christ laid down his life for the Church.
The Bible study went into some aspects of marriage, like talking with your spouse, because the husband is the head of the wife, that does not mean that he doesn’t listen to her, they are two made one, just like Christ and his Bride will be made one. The husband also needs to remember that Christ is the head over him, and that he is to be obedient to Christ as well.
Pastor Don talked about how important it is to talk with your spouse, for when you date, you do not really know the spouse, it is only after time of being together and talking that you begin to know your spouse.
Wives must respect their husband, often obedience and giving to them is easy, but respect is harder. If you respect your husband, even if you think he is not worthy of respect, your husband will grow to be the person whom you can respect.
Because Christ is the head of the church, it signifies that it is part of the Body. Pastor Don made a point of saying he does not consider himself the head of the church, he would like to be like a neck, where the neck muscles adjust to which way the head (Christ) is turning.
So in essence we are the body of Christ, being formed into the Bride of Christ. It is like the betrothal of a marriage, in the Hebrew tradition it could be done when a child was a baby, and then the people grew into the role until it was time to be married. We are still babies, growing into the Body, and soon to become the bride.
Then someone asked why it seemed that lately their life was shambles, that they are doing their best to get their act together, and one thing after another seemed to go wrong. But they are staying true to the Word of God.
Pastor Don said that we need to have a value system according to Christ’s values. Christ will provide for us what we need, but often what we perceive we need is not what Christ (with a far reaching perspective) knows that we need. Sometimes when we are close to a breakthrough, the adversary puts all the guns out and tries to throw us off course. If we keep our focus on Jesus, then we will not be tripped up by satan.
He asked us, have you ever noticed that something that seems like a tragedy, can be a stepping stone for one person, and for the other it is a disaster.
It depends on your focus. He talked about how at one point he and his wife were so poor they lived in a trailer on cinderblocks, and had to scrape together money to get fuel for the kerosene heater. They did not have a car, so they had to bring it to the trailer on a sled, through about a mile of snow, for they did not have a plow to plow the driveway. Then their pipes broke.
Pastor Don pointed out that he had been rich and he had been poor. Obviously rich is better, but he said that he and his wife were happy when they were poor. It is not finances that lead to happiness. If they did, then there would not be so many suicides and destructive behavior being done by people who were rich.
If you are in the Mind of Christ, you can take your disaster and do something bigger and better. If you are not in the mind of Christ, the disaster could be just a disaster.
Every bad thing that happens is not sent by God, but God will use what satan meant for bad to bless us, to help us learn what God wants us to learn. He will turn the ashes into roses.
He told us to remember, “Your attitude determines your outcome.”
Some of this is again new concepts for me, so I have tried to take accurate notes, but if there is an error, it is not Pastor Don, it is my mistake in understanding.
Hope you have an awesome day.
Heather
Comments (8)
Your attitude determines your outcome—how true that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good post, sister!!!!
Happy Wednesday!!!!!!
love u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW, to everything, you write alot too! lol
–Sorry I haven’t commented alot, I still get on your site to see what’s up. I’m starting to think that you writing about so much is a passion? I write to just ‘free’ myself most of the time, like therapy =).. Anyways, You are deep at times and catch one’s attention. That’s sweet. Take care and blessings!
what a way to end it…I agree.
God is turning ashes from this crazy insurance thing into roses. I cannot wait to smell em!
It’s funny that you mentioned this bride/body subject…it’s been coming up for me as I’m reading in the mornings! What do you think about the possibility of the church being the body and Israel being the bride? All promises made to Isreal are still in effect. I am just wondering about this and if it fits. Ephesians talks about the mystery of Christ and the church being one, and compares it to the marriage covenant, so I’m looking closely at it right now…. Thanks for your encouragement and honest sharing on your posts~
Wow…that was exactly what I needed to read today! Thank you for being ever willing to share your notes. Your diligence helped me today!
Thank you, Kim
I liked your insights. I heard the idea of being the “neck of Christ,” years ago when I was in Seminary from a very gentle professor who loved the Lord as well. Your Pastor sounds like a good man.
Just one word of caution, however, when studying Revelations: Be very careful when you take things too literally. You may want to read “End-time Visions,” by Abanes. A lot of what is now being taught about the End Times may not even be biblical as we think it is, and may have more in common with erroneous teachings from the 1800′s that spawned Jehovah’s Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventism. In fact, a lot of what is now being taught as factual or theological, was seen as heretical just a few short years ago. It has gained a foothold through fictional works like the Left Behind series and from TV, particularly from TBN.
I am speaking as one who has pastored for over 20 years and has studied this and the cults extensively for about 30 years. I have been certified by my denomination to teach on Jehovah’s Witnesses, LDS, the Occult, and New Age and how to witness to alternative religions.
I like your pastor’s comments when he related, “If you are in the Mind of Christ, you can take your disaster and do something bigger and better. If you are not in the mind of Christ, the disaster could be just a disaster.
Every bad thing that happens is not sent by God, but God will use what Satan meant for bad to bless us, to help us learn what God wants us to learn. He will turn the ashes into roses.”
Very true!
The Apostle Paul taught: “The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment: ‘For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?’ But we have the mind of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 2:10-16, NIV)
God bless and thanks!
great post!