March 2, 2007

  • Discernment by Pastor Don

    When the Spirit of God is moving in a person often there is a conflict with the spirit of man in the person. The flesh does not want to be dominated by the spirit.

    Sometimes when the Spirit moves in a a person’s life, the people around them are puzzled by how it is expressing. In order to know how to respond to the Spirit’s move one of the most important things to have is discernment.

    There are people who come to church and put on their church attitudes much the same way that they put on their clothes, and when church is over they go their own ways and do things the way they did in the flesh, taking off the holy attitudes.

    Everything that we think is spiritual isn’t always spiritual. Sometimes the soul (mind, will, emotions) is what are manifesting, not the Spirit of a person.

    When someone says or does something in our presence we can get a word picture. We don’t always label the action correctly, for when we look at a situation we come with our own biases.

    When the presence of God is moving, not everyone interprets this movement correctly. There is a vast continuum of how people respond to the movement of the Holy Spirit and the presence of God.

    Ananias and Sapphira felt the movement of the Holy Spirit, and sold property, holding back some. Their lying ended up causing their death.

    When the disciples cast out the spirit from the woman because her prophesying was interfering with the sharing of the gospel, the woman was healed from this divining spirit, but her masters were angry because they lost their source of income.

    In any given situation where the emotions are high and the Holy Spirit is moving, there can be all sorts of reactions. The Holy Spirit will use the same situation to touch many lives.

    Pastor Don said that if someone from Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Brooklyn, and Ohio were watching a news program about the Middle East there would be varying responses to what was being said on the news. And when we watch what the Holy Spirit is doing, we too can have varying responses.

    The Holy Spirit will minister to each person differently. The only exception would be if someone violated the Word, for then the power of God would not agree with that. But when the Spirit is working in a person’s life, those who are present have to have Discernment of Spirits to correctly interpret what is going on.

    Sometimes when the Spirit moves, the healing process causes torment in the person that the Spirit is moving within. And what got the person in trouble is expressed. Over time, the Holy Spirit will cause the person to come full face with what caused the situation. And then either healing will come or the person will go back to the old ways. The only way to see the effects of this Holy Spirit encounter is to see the fruit of what happens as time goes by.

    Never judge what the Spirit is doing in a person from the outward appearances of what is going on. Wait to see the fruit of the experience, for then you will be able to tell if it is really the person acting in the Spirit, of if the person is simulating acting in the Spirit but is really acting in the flesh.

    We should never debase a person who is seeking to be transparent or put them into a position to be baited further by the devil. The Power of God will make you tell the truth, and then satan will set traps to pull the person back into the old ways, often using righteous brethren as tools.

    God will give us opportunities to confess sins in different ways and forms. We need to remember that when we confess our sins like 1 John 1:9 says, He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us of all unrighteousness. So often in church, when a person is honest and sincere in confessing their sins, the self-proclaimed righteous ones come and beat down the person. (Heather’s note:  I will get the sermon tape and share the notes from last Sunday’s sermon – Judgment and Justification which Pastor Don mentioned in this Bible study. I seldom get to Sundays at Living Word because my husband and family go to a different church and I attend with them.)

    We need to heighten our spiritual discernment so that our emotional responses are filtered and we can then realize that when a person has been transparent, what did I really see? How did God perceive it. Was it flesh or was it the Holy Spirit working a healing in the person?

    God can sanctify anyone if they yield to Him. (Heather’s note, I can attest to that!) If you get out of hand, God can sanctify that too.

    Pastor Don mentioned that he is sometimes accused of being soft on sin, but that is not the truth. He is not soft on sin, but he does love the sinner. One time, in a Bible study, he mentioned that God can change a child molester or murderer. One of the members actually left the church, she could see that God could change a murderer, but not a child molester. (Heather’s note, a few years ago a statement like that would have given me pause given the abuse in my past, but when I see the miracles God has done in my life and in the lives of others, I do know that He can change any person who yields to Him.)

    When someone is transparent and confesses a sin, God can use that confession in many ways. Pastor Don pointed out that besides forgiving the sinner, God will also use it as an opportunity to test the congregation. Will the church act in love? Will they condemn? Will they make the sinner jump through hoops to gain acceptance? Will they be so condemning that the sinner is pushed out of the congregation?

    God wants to get us to a point where a, “go through, is a go through” when you go through the valley of the shadow of death, not a permanent campground.

    We also need to realize that our physical conditions have spiritual components. Pastor Don mentioned how every spring and fall he got serious allergic attacks as a child. Finally he had enough Word of God in him to speak against the attacks, and at some point God revealed to him that the attacks coincided with they yearly time that he spent at summer camp as a child and the return from summer camp.

    Someone asked a question about if partial disobedience was disobedience, and Pastor Don pointed out that it was. For a Biblical example he used King Saul, who did not obey the words of God and destroy all in a particular battle that God told him to destroy, and because of that Saul lost the anointing. When we choose to partially disobey we are making an idol of ourselves. WE are deciding what to obey and what not to obey – putting our feelings above the Will of God. And then Pastor Don pointed out that so often the church forgets that there is not only a sin of commission but also sin of omission.

    When we are not doing right, when we are in a state of sin, breakthroughs can be withheld by God. God cannot bless disobedience. When our children are disobedient, we do not give them gifts for their disobedience. God, because of His great love for us, cannot reward our disobedience.

    We closed by reading Philippians 4:4-9  Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I will say, rejoice! Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand. Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy–meditate on these things. The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you.

    (Heather’s note) It always amazes me how God works. Sometimes, when Pastor Don gives us a glimpse of what goes on behind the scenes, so to speak, in a situation I am amazed. God is so remarkable in how He handles situations. It is so easy, in the flesh, to totally mistake what is going on in the Spirit. I keep praying that He gives me discernment. I have such a respect for the difficult situations pastors face. But what I love the most about Pastor Don, is that if something puzzles a person, if something doesn’t feel right and a question is asked, Pastor Don explains things so that there is no confusion. I am praying that you have pastors like Pastor Don who are willing to answer hard questions, who are willing to share. And I also pray that if something is confusing in a church setting that you would consider going to the pastor or your elders for an explanation. Far better than mulling things over in the flesh.

    Have a blessed day.

    Heather

Comments (23)

  • Heather, So often when I read your posts, I find myself wishing that I could be sitting there with you under the voice of Pastor Don, for he seems to be not only a man of The Word, but also a man of his flock. Our Sr. Pastor is an excellent expositor of The Word and he preaches it straight, but he is not a people person (most Type A people aren’t, I suppose) and has a very difficult time relating in a sincere and easy going way with his congregation – you can sense his inner desire to escape to his office instead of enjoying time in sweet fellowship with the people, where I believe the Word can take even deeper root. So I miss that aspect, but even as has been said today – this is a work that the Holy Spirit must be in control of. I just sense in your depiction of Pastor Don that he loves Jesus with a passion and he loves to be His hands, feet and mouthpiece to those whom the Lord places in his path. I’m grateful that you so fully share his teachings, because even though I am not there with you, it fills a place in my heart. Have a blessed day and thanks for sharing ~ Sherry

  • Thanks for stopping by.  Did you read Ded’s comment?  Pray for him that God will give him what he needs.  I really appreciated his sharing with me.

  • Amen, Heather!!! Great post!!!

    love u….

  • I didn’t know this, Heather.  I think I sometimes expect that someone else’s refinement, experience, etc. will look like mine.  I can slip into judgment or doubt about what I’m discerning.  Thanks for the heads up.

  • My prayer lately has been for God to give me the wisdom to discern what is my flesh and what is His Spirit. The ability to discern between the two is certainly a spirit revelation. You are very blessed to have a pastor you trust and that feeds you emotionally as well as spiritually. Blessings..

  • As somone who was present for this wonderful explanation that Pastor Don shared, I was taught,blessed and enlightened. It was truly the Glory of God that was revealed in Pastor Don’s response I am grateful,grateful,grateful! May the Spirit of God continue to manifest and move in our midst. My personal prayer is that I am open & obedient to the move of the Spirit. I know in this present dispensation,the Spirit of the Lord is going to move in ways we have never seen before and could never even image. May we all embrace the Lord we serve and let Him have His way in our lives and in our midst

    1Cor2:9 But it is written, eye has not seen,nor ear heard,neither have entered into the heart of man,the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

  • Hope you are having an Amazing Day!…..In Christ’s Love….Monic

  • I am thankful that the Holy Spirit brings those in our path, situations, trials, circumstances to move those things not pleasing to God out of us.  It is not pretty when the house gets cleaned, making more of a mess but oh when it is done.  Christians have a habit of evaluating the dust and totally missing the point that the house is being cleaned, let the Holy Spirit have His way.  Great post and a right on word.  Hope your weekend is magnificent.

  • Hi Heather!  ryc…I so understand. Believe it or not, I have the same problem.  All I know to do is to do the next thing and try to keep a cheerful heart. : )  It’s difficult when we have so many with so many interests and such living under the same roof.  Just wanted to let ya know I totally am with you.  I’m no Martha Stewart at all, but I’m trying to get better….   : )  I’m a creative messy.  I love to cook and can but am not good about keeping things decluttered etc.  I too feel a bit over my head many, many times.  You’re not alone!  LOL

    HUGE hugs!  ~Amelia

  • Hi Heather,

    It’s been a long while since I’ve dropped by to speak with you.  I guess there is really no good reason except that I’ve been doing my usual routine each day by getting into the Word and confessing Scriptures for my healing to manifest itself.  But, I’m very glad you stopped by my site and made your comment. I too like to pray from my heart and especially in tongues where I know I’m praying the perfect will of God.  The Holy Spirit has helped me so many times in a variety of situations.  I’m just getting better and better each day and loving others more and more.  Your writings are so good.  I would really be interested in knowing if Pastor Don has a website so I could visit.  If so, perhaps you would let me know.  I lilke to browse and read devotions on the Christian websites.  I thank you again for stopping by so have a blessed weekend and I hope to be back before too long. 

    God bless you as you prosper in your spirit, soul, and body as stated in 1 Thessalonians 5:23.

    Joe

  • Thanks for the comment and the encouragement. The kids and I are having a great weekend, but we all miss having mom around :) . It is so exciting to see how blessed she is by the conference and we are all glad she could go.

    Hope all is well with you and that you are having a wonderful day.

    Blessings,
    Chuck

  • Good post Heather, you really have a good teacher in Pastor Don….thanks for your comments too…I would rather follow Jesus than anyone else!

    Be Blessed…Mike

  • Thanks for post it is true alot people wearing of church close. They putt them on at church but as soon as they come home it there life and not Gods I fell sorry for people like. Have a bless day

  • great post! thanks again
    Bryan

  • Amen. You’re blessed to have a pastor like Pastor Don.

    larry

  • Good news is always welcome. It is good news to be reminded that the Spirit is always moving.

    ryc They are quite a handful. I never have had a tougher to manage group, or a rowdier one, or a more cheerful loving group.

    Old Hat

  • Great post.

    Romans 8:26.

    How many of us in times of great difficulties and loss — can’t even find the words to pray. I have been there — with no words on my tongue, but my heart in agony…and I claim this verse and know The Holy Spirit is praying the words for me!! Truly amazing!!

  • It always sounds like you have a good church and pastor.  Yea, I am excited about my trip.  Glad you will be able to go in May.

  • ryc: thank you for the encouragement. I do NOT have faith in me, I kinda give up, there is nothing I can do with my school situation or with Dennis that will make it “turn out right” except walk in faith, faith in God… Love you, Gerrie

  • Amen  Heather !    Thank you for sharing your Pastor teaching.  Thank you God for the Holy Spirit , He is our conselor for everything !  He is the great teacher. ((((( hugs))))) . Love you in Christ. Tip

  • Thank you for visiting my Xanga.

  • RYC: Grace and mercy. You are right. People do confuse them.

    Mercy is NOT being given what you deserve. (As in a court of law when, although being guilty, the judge grants mercy and suspends your sentence.)

    Grace is being given WHAT YOU DO NOT deserve. (Grace is when a person walks up to you and for no reason gives you $100.) There is indeed and empowering element to grace.

    I like Don Meares definition of grace. “The empowering presence of God to be what He wants me to be and do what he wants me to do.”

  • No kidding, your ‘putting holiness on like Sunday clothes’ is my family to a TEE.  My brother and mother are THE biggest know-it-all Christians you have ever seen… but my brother’s heart is so cold, callous, and self-absorbed you wouldn’t know he was anything but an egotistical prick the rest of the week… although if you whip out some spiritual statement, he’ll talk REALLY big like he’s got all the answers.

    My mom’s a little better than he – she actually spends most of her time listening to sermons and reading the Bible, but she’s got major learning disabilities and this ‘heart’ disability where she only accepts what she wants to accept.  Itching ear syndrome?  Is that what it’s called.  She doesn’t have a heart for anything more than getting what she wants and looking like she’s doing more than that.  And it only takes a few moments to figure out what the deal is.

    I’m constantly afraid that people will think that of me.  THEY think that of me – because that’s what they believe people do, and they figure I’m like everyone else.  ((No, that’s not true.  They think I’m fanatical and fruity and overzealous with strange and foreign beliefs.))  But they doubt my sincerity because they only know insincerity and figure the apple never falls far from the tree.  I… don’t know how to break them of this… because they HAVE no discernment, so their view of my faith is that I’m certifiable.  My view of their faith is different… but what does that MEAN…??

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