November 18, 2006

  • Spiritual Warfare by Pastor Don

    We had a great Bible study today as well as a Thanksgiving Lunch. I was able to get a picture of most of the people who were at Bible study today.

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    Pastor Don is in the blue shirt on the right, Pastor Ted is in the white shirt to his left. I am in the black shirt in front of Pastor Ted.

    Today Pastor Don talked about Spiritual Warfare. He started by saying that the body of Christ runs into trouble if they look for a demon under every chair. Not every thing that causes us trouble is caused by demons.

    Genesis 4:4-7 Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat. And the LORD respected Abel and his offering, but He did not respect Cain and his offering. And Cain was very angry and his countenance fell. So the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.

    So often the Body of Christ is looking for an excuse for what they are going through, so the devil gets blamed, but he hasn’t shown up in the particular situation yet. Satan can’t show up until we invite him in.

    We need to discern how things operate in the two kingdoms, how they operate with good and evil.

    If you look at the above passage you will see that Cain was on his own, satan did not show up until later. Cain had presented an unacceptable sacrifice to God, and God did not respect the offering. Cain’s response was to get angry and his countenance fell (depressed). These reactions were all Cain’s flesh and carnality. The carnality of Cain’s heart, and our carnality is what leaves the door open for satan to oppress us. But when Cain got angry and his countenance fell satan wasn’t present yet, he is lying at the door waiting for a way to get in.

    When God gives us a calling, often the ability to perform that calling does not show up until we need God’s provision for the ability. We usually want God to give us the power before we take a step in fulfilling our calling, but that is not how God works. He won’t give us the power until we start doing and recognize the need for God’s help. We need to know that God did it, so that He gets the glory and we are not puffed up in our flesh.

    (Heather’s note, I used to have a problem with this idea until I realized that the reason God needs to get the glory is He doesn’t have insecurities. He can handle the glory and do well with it. If I managed to gain the glory, I would in my flesh, misuse the glory or get sidetracked. It is far safer for me to give God the glory that He deserves than it is to hold onto it for me.)

    In Verse 7, God tells Cain that if he would do well, he would be accepted. At this point, Cain could have repented, brought God an acceptable sacrifice and God would have been pleased. Instead, Cain nursed his anger and depression, and satan was lying in wait at the door. Cain had to do something to make the sin manifest, it couldn’t force it’s way into Cain’s life without him opening up the door to sin. God is showing Cain that he has to rule over that demon waiting at the door. Instead, Cain chose to respond to his fleshly feelings and murder Abel.

    When we come across people who are in need of spiritual warfare, we know that they have already opened up that door. They have gone through the process and have already fallen for the demonic. They have made a decision based on their flesh and carnality, and refused to take authority over the demonic. Thus the demonic is activated because they permitted it. There is a line to cross in order to sin, to be in lust, or perversion.

    Pastor Don asked us how many of us have been in a hotel room with the clicker for the TV. When you go through the choices, you can have ordinary TV, new movies, older movies, and then there are the X-rated movies. If we take the clicker and select the X-rated movie, then we have opened the door for the demon of lust. We have crossed that line. And often the decision to give way to the demonic is just a split second decision.

    What happens when we give way to one of the demonic forces is that at first we have a choice, but as we give way more and more times, the demonic forces begin to take over in us. We often have to work ourselves into the spirit of rage, starting out with being upset, and then feeding those upset feelings, mulling over them until they emerge as full blown rage.

    We have to remember that the devil is a defeated foe and he needs permission to impact us. That is why God told Cain that he should rule over it.

    Pastor Don had us raise our right hand and say, “All my thoughts are not my thoughts.” Then he explained by saying haven’t you been driving down the road and gotten a sudden urge to crash into a tree? That thought was not from you, but from satan trying to get you to do something that decreases your efficiency. Or have you done something, and then spent a lot of time undermining what you did, worrying about things that you ordinarily don’t worry about? We are  not to claim every thought that is in our brain, for all thoughts do not originate from us.

    Pastor Don talked about a recent experience he had on the throughway. He was driving and saw a huge truck trying to merge onto the road, but a pickup truck refused to give way to give the truck a chance to get onto the highway. The pickup truck could have either slowed down, or moved over a lane to give the trucker a chance to merge. Instead the pickup held its ground and the trucker ended up scraping against the guard rail. The trucker, once he got on the highway raced after that pickup and forced it off the road before speeding on. (When Pastor Don was asked what he did, he said when he saw what was going on he decreased speed to put great distance between the two trucks).

    Pastor Don said that there was a point where that driving situation opened the door for a reaction that allowed satan to influence it, when the anger overtook rationality.

    There is a split second moment when we realize a desire is not of God, and we have to discern in that split second moment and make a choice – do we go with God or do we open the door for the demonic. That split second moment is in the realm of my responsibility to decide.

    We all have stuff in our flesh that we need to discern in a split second so we don’t open up the door. When the door opens the demonic presence brings thoughts our flesh wants to believe.

    Kenneth Hagin says that an evil thought if it is not repeated will die from lack of activity.

    Thoughts can’t hurt us, can’t harm us if we watch words and are aware of the fact that what we say affects what we get. We need to be cognizant of what we are saying.

    Pastor Don pointed out that not everyone likes him, and he had to learn that their dislike of him often has nothing to do with him. For example, some people do not like authority figures, others might have had a bad day and chose to take out their feelings on Pastor Don. Pastor Don said that he cannot control who likes him, but he can control how he reacts to that person. If he acts from a point of Christ’s love or if he reacts in the flesh. He chooses to act from a godly point of view. One example was a angry email that he received from a new visitor to the church who did not like something that affected his daughter. The person writing the email wasn’t even present, but heard about the situation from his daughter. Pastor Don responded to the email, apologized, explained the situation so the person had the whole story and saw that it wasn’t what it seemed. The person who wrote the email responded back immediately surprised that Pastor Don would care enough to answer such an angry email, the situation was diffused, they were impressed by Pastor Don’s loving response, and the door was left open for that person to come back to church. But Pastor Don pointed out that he also had a reaction to the angry email that was not a godly reaction, but he chose to do what was right, not what his flesh wanted to do. He could have gotten up in the pulpit and preached against the situation, or he could have fired back a nasty email to the person, or he could have let it affect his dealings with others. Instead, Pastor Don kept the goal of the harvest of souls in mind and responded correctly.

    (Heather’s note, I feel such empathy for pastors, because I suspect that they get lots of negative responses, and not enough positive responses for the good that they do. Just from my time as a Girl Scout leader or president of a few organizations, I know that people jump on any little thing you do wrong, and forget all the thousands of right things that you do.)

    In Genesis 4:8 we see “…sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.”

    There are different types of demonic oppression. There is the kind Cain experienced, reaping what he sowed and then refusing to rule over his fleshly impulses. Then there is the Job kind of oppression, where God permitted satan to oppress Job, and Job went through the experience. In order to know which is which, we have to ask ourselves if our heart is right or is God allowing something. God has a plan for us. When God lets us go through an experience that is uncomfortable there is a growing for us, and a preparing for a new position. One example is that it took 11 days to walk from Egypt to the Promised Land, but God led the Israelites around the wilderness for 40 years until they reached a level that they could be successful in the Promised Land.

    Pastor Don gave us two word pictures for how the devil seeks to oppress us.

    1. A scab. When we get a cut, the cut scabs over, and that area is tender, sensitive, and still healing. The devil looks for scabs on people, wanting to irritate the scab. If we have the scab of rejection in us, we look for others to reject us, so satan sends someone our way who will  reject us. Or we spend our time rehearsing what we will say when we are rejected, end up working ourselves into a bad attitude which causes  people to reject us, and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. People have different scabs in their lives, many of which are not obvious to the outside observer. But satan is there ready to make a mental suggestion to someone, who might unknowingly come over and address us in the area of our scabs. Some people do not want to acknowledge their scabs, they pretend they don’t exist, or feel that they have to be perfect. If a person attacks you and you discern it is from a scabbed area of their lives, it is important not to take it personally, for that attack comes from their emotional baggage.

    2. One of our members has a dog. If she brings the dog to Bible study and the dog comes into the room, Pastor Don, pointed out that the dog would come around smelling our scabs, and then the owner tells the dog to go lay down. The dog lays down, and doesn’t move and we can continue our Bible study. But then when would the dog move? When the owner called it. The dog would remain quiet until the owner calls, then the dog has permission to move. It is the same with the demonic forces in  our lives, we call them into action, before we call them they do not have permission to move. That is why Pastor Don is careful what subjects he allows to be preached from the pulpit, not wanting to stir up the demonic influences. Some subjects when brought up in the pulpit would have the capacity to take the focus off of the main issue of Bible teaching and Jesus. One such subject is politics. If Pastor Don took a particular political point of view, it could alienate other members who did not agree, and all of a sudden there would be division in the congregation. Far better to teach God’s view of the world and the world’s situations and let people make intelligent, Biblical choices.

    Carnal things feed the old man in us, but God’s plan is for us to move beyond the old man, to die to self, and live in the power of the anointing.

    We then looked at this process in the life of King Saul. Remember God warned the Israelites that the idea of a king was not desirable, but they kept insisting, so God gave them the desires of their hearts, and later they would regret the choice.

    I think I will save the discussion of King Saul for tomorrow so that this post is not too long.

     I hope you have a wonderfully blessed weekend.

    Heather

     

Comments (23)

  • I am glad the lunch was good! Hope you have a Great Saturday!…..In Christ’s Love….Monic

  • hey! my name is Brittany! i have a blogring named “abortion another name for murder” i would love for you to join it! thanks

  • Interesting xanga… I like it. It’s really cool that you are using xanga as a place to share your growth. What a great way to remember where God has taken you and to share that growth with others daily…! :)

    I guess I sometimes forget that there are “adults” on xanga… and it’s refreshing to see.

    You have a very nice xanga… :)

    -Emily

  • If you think I’m a Satanist just because I have the Jesus joke and Ozzy’s music then you have judgement issues. I don’t *hate* god (hate is a pretty strong word for anything) and I’ve been told I’m going to Hell because *I listen to heavy metal, spend no time in church, and I’m liberal with pretty much anything.* I don’t want to get anything started or anything (my god knows I don’t need a bunch of people coming over to my site with nothing more to say then “You’re going to hell missy”), however, I speak my mind on any subject whether it agrees with the way of the world or not. 

    And I don’t think that anyone who’s like me is going to come into my life and show me the way of your god. I feel content in my beliefs and that’s all that matters. Good for you for finding something you care about. And no, I don’t hate Jesus (and I don’t love Satan either–though I do love the heavy metal and sinful chocolates).

    Quite the contrary: Jesus seems like a cool guy and if he had a Facebook I’d be his friend.

  • Here is what I wrote on Mystic Xingjing’s site – that caused the above response. I assumed that she was referring to satan when her name was “princess of darkness” and she mentioned satan in her heading.

    LOL RYC. Judging from your site, I would tend to agree with you that your god is not My God. While I never dealt with satan, I did spend 40 years in the occult, and spent a lot of time rejecting God. You may want to read my testimony on my site, I had real reasons (or so I thought) for hating God and rejecting everything He stood for. But now that I know Him, and have found the peace and joy that comes from knowing Him, I do not seek elsewhere. The gods of other religions do not compare to God, and I choose to trust God at His word that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. But God gives everyone the freedom of choice, not wanting to force anyone to accept Him. So I am praying that someone can come into your life and give you the opportunity to know Him. Hoping you have a great thanksgiving.

    Heather

  • Mystic, I don’t know much about facebooks, but I wonder what Jesus would put in his facebook. Any ideas? You are right, hate is a pretty strong word, but I really did hate God for a period of time, I blamed Him for the abuse I had received. I have since apologized to God, and He told me, “That’s ok, at least you were talking to me.” I hadn’t talked to Him for forty years. God is the final judge of where we end up, heaven or hell. I am glad you speak your mind. Guess what, I too speak my mind, and it does not always agree with the way of the world. Believe it or not, He is your God too. I too love chocolates, but don’t consider them sinful, just sometimes the excess pounds caused by chocolates can be sinful. I grew up before heavy metal, and therefore don’t know much about it, and I had my speaker turned off anyway, for I tend not to listen to music on others’ sites.

    Have many people said that to you, “You’re going to hell Missy?” That would be rather offputting, and I had people coming up to me before I knew Jesus saying similar things. It is pretty ineffective as a way to reach out to a person. I am lucky, the Pastor Don in the above photo spent two years listening to me, and helping me to sort out a lot of issues in my past. I made the decision about Christ myself, Pastor Don just listened and cared. I guess my prayer is that you find someone to listen and care for you too.

    Heather

  • Thanks so much for sharing that.

  • 1. I love the pix. How did you get such a long pix? Is it a special type of film or camera? 2. Great Bible study! I really appreciate the things that you shared here. 3. I praise God for the way HE is using you in the lives of others ~ both your fellow members of God’s Family, as well as in the lives of unbelievers. Loving prayer for you this day.  ~ Carolyn

  • Smiling, Heather.

    Smiling real big.

    Matthew 25:21 *hugs*

  • *smiles back* it was a [inside] joke–loooooong story that dates waaaay back to the time of my earlier youth.

    Strangely enough, the only people who have told me I am going to hell are evangelical christians. Everyone else hasn’t a problem with my beliefs. We as a family aren’t religious in the slightest and neither are my friends, so it’s not an issue.

    Anywhoo, I’m glad you worked out your issues with someone. I can honestly say I personally don’t feel like I have any issues that I need to deal with at the moment (although at one time I did, and religion didn’t help :) ].

    I already have people that love me and care about me, so you don’t have to pray that I find someone to listen to me and to care for me–I already have that and I’m happy with it.

    BTW: Facebook is a website (www.facebook.com).

  • Hello and Bonjour….just figured we’d drop in and say hello. We are the creators of something spectacular, but we don’t think you’d be interested. We just like to brag.

    Have a peachy day. May Hydro bless your soul and give you joy and prosperity!

  • Hey Heather…

    Quite a bit of your post touched me today.  The part about having parts of our lives that are tender and healing and Satan taking advantage of those areas to undermine our confidence and hurt us, really hit home.  And the part about why God has us go through trials to prepare us for something.  Lots of things to think about and mull over.  Thank you for being a blessing to me always.  What a tremendous friend you have been, standing with me through so much pain.

    ((hugs))

  • Heather this was an excellent post and I enjoyed viewing the picture.
    Re: “All my thoughts are not my thoughts.” It made me think of the time about 3 years after the Lord had helped me break free from the grip of alcohol. I was just driving down the street when out of the blue I heard in my mind, “I would give anything for a drink right now!” I was so shocked, but then I examined those thoughts and remember saying outloud in the car, “No I wouldn’t!!!” It was quite a great day for me to realize that my fleshly desire for alcohol had been defeated and it was only Satan whispering lies in my ear… after that, it became much easier to just say, “Get behind me Satan” and move on.

    Have a great weekend. ~Sherry

  • Mystic’s funny!  I LOVE inside jokes :)

  • Wow thanks for sharing. That’s an awesome picture! Have a nice weekend.

    Kenneth

  • Great teaching!  Thanks for sharing! 

    Blessings to you! :)

  • Wow, church thanksgiving lunch..

  • wow, great to see a photo of your group; yeah, as someone said to me the other day, we give the devil too much credit!

  • The door was opened in the Garden was it not?

  • Dear Ranting raven, where in the Bible does it state that?

  • I have responded to you question on my site, Thanx for the comment on my pix.
    Did you know that Pastor Don’s comment, “All my thoughts are not my thoughts” is from one of the first 10 exercises in the book “A Course In Miracles”. Where can I find that in the Bible?
    rantingWraven

  • I am not surprised that Biblical concepts show up in “A course in Miracles” as they do in other new age sorts of teachings. The truth mixed with a misdirection is often how the teachings are given. See, if someone told blatant lies, they wouldn’t be believed, but a tiny bit of misinformation can go under someone’s radar. In the Bible we are told to hold every thought captive, we are told that out of the abundance of our heart our mouth speaks, we are to think on thoughts that are true, etc. These truths are often copied by other “religions” because they are valid truths.

    Heather

  • I had a discussion about how satan throws firey darts ( I think these are thoughts). But the person I was talking with believes that satan doesn’t put thoughts in our heads. That we use that as an excuse to thinking bad things. He said he hasn’t come across in the bible whatsoever that says satan can put thoughts in our heads. Would you have some bible verses that supports the idea of putting thoughts in our heads. Or examples. It would really help.

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