November 10, 2006

  • Don’t fall asleep at the wheel Part 2 by Pastor Don

    I enjoyed last night at our Girl Scout lock in at the skating rink but did not get a lot of sleep. The girls had fun, some skating until 3:30 in the morning. Besides roller skating, the other activity they thoroughly enjoyed was sitting on sleeping bags and sliding down the ramps in the skateboard park attached to the skating rink.

    On Wednesday, Pastor Don was talking about discernment, and how we need to know what voice we are hearing in or minds, is it the flesh, the Spirit, or the Lord? When we know the source, then we know what to believe and to reject. In order to do this we have to have honesty and awareness as who is in operation. In the Body of Christ we accept the whole person, but some people want you to validate their emotional constitution as real, or want us to accept, “That’s just the way I am.” or to accept that what they think in their carnal nature is true. That is not what we are to do in the Body of Christ. We have to discern when people are thinking in the carnal nature, and separate that from the truth. Sometimes prayers prayed in church are prayers of the flesh, prayers of performance, prayers of attention getting, prayers of emotional nature, prayers of gossip. Paul says that we have to discern what is in operation.

    Sometimes we can see a pastor on tv or in church start preaching – they start out with a physical agenda, but we can tell when the Holy Spirit takes over, and sometimes (not always) the agenda gets set aside so that the person speaks what the Holy Spirit is telling them to say. We can tell when a service ceases from being flesh centered and turns toward the Spirit.

    We have to know what lines up with the Word of God, and what doesn’t. In the last days, we are going to see the church get more out of balance. Pastor Don pointed out that when he has guest speakers at our church he makes sure he draws from the pool of the five fold ministry, Ephesians 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers. If a church only focuses on prophesy, or on evangelism, the church gets out of balance. God wants all of the five fold ministry to be in the church. (In fact, in discipleship class, Pastor Don points out that if you are the pastor of a church and you do not function in a particular area of the fivefold ministry, then you need to find someone who is so that the body of Christ is fed a balanced diet.)

    2 Corinthians 10:2-6 But I beg you that when I am present I may not be bold with that confidence by which I intend to be bold against some, who think of us as if we walked according to the flesh. For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.

    Notice that it mentions walking – we are to be a walker, not accepting people according to the flesh, but walking in the way God wants us to walk. We need to repent from our carnal nature, making a 180 degree turn around. Sometimes we forgive in the flesh (in our head) but do not feel it in our hearts. In a pragmatic example, if you treat me bad in the flesh, I do not ignore that I was treated badly, but I choose not to react in kind. We need to know that the battle is not in the physical, but in the spiritual realm.

    With the person hurts us we need to see who is speaking or acting in the person who hurts us. For example, with a person who is nice in the morning, but after lunch comes back nasty, and with a strong scent of marijuana on their person. You know that it is the spirit of addiction that is controlling that person, and speaking to them in the flesh won’t do as much good as binding the spirit of addiction in that person, but without a covenant relationship, you cannot bind totally, but you can prevent it from interfering in your work place.We have the authority to bind and loose on the earth, but it has to be in accordance with a covenant relationship.

     Jesus was aware of the the spirit within him and who was in operation. During a walk through a city the woman with an issue of blood came and touched His hem. He was thinking about the crowd, the people around Him, etc, but when she touched Him, His Spirit knew that virtue had passed from Him, so He asked, ”Who touched me.” Jesus was saying, who linked their spirit with my spirit for I felt virtue going out of me. The woman then confessed, and Jesus healed her. It was her faith in the spirit reaching to Jesus’s Spirit.

    Not everyone believes Malachi 4:2…The Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings.”

    We are not to just look for signs and wonders, God wants us to participate, to see what needs to be done and walk it out.

    Pastor Don pointed out that everyone who is born again isn’t born again in every area of their lives, there are strongholds that still need to die to the flesh. We need to learn to trust God so that we know that we can give it to God help us handle it. If we do not keep discerning what areas are weak in our lives, we will end up leaving ourselves open in those areas that satan can come in and influence. Satan wants to bring people down, like Haggert, for then satan casts doubt on the whole body of Christ. When God trusts us, we need to make sure that we stay in line with His word, and that our actions are according to His word.

    Pastor Don pointed out that one verse makes him sad, when Jesus asks, “In the last days, will I find faith in the earth?”

    We have to watch our words and our thoughts because the more we focus on things that are not of God, the more real they come, until the day that we believe the lie. Prophesy is only a prophetic possibility, some unattainable goal, but we won’t reach the prophesy unless we believe it.

    The conversation turned to intercessors and how if someone is an intercessor it is usually and undercover sort of thing, if someone comes up to you and gives you a song and dance about how they are interceding for you, they are probably not intercessors – a simple, “I’m praying for you” is enough. An intercessor is not always an outwardly rewarding task, for often God will have you pray for people you won’t meet in the flesh. You lift up people that God tells you to pray for. You are kind of a secret agent against the kingdom of darkness.

    Sometimes when someone speaks a word of prophesy over you, you get caught up in the lust of the flesh, especially if the message is one that is particularly ego gratifying. A true prophesy is a Word spoken about something you are waiting in hope and faith for. The word of prophesy needs to line up with God’s word, with what God has already spoken about your situation. Usually a true word of prophesy is something you already know in your Spirit, and God sends a confirmation. But you have to be careful not to lay out fleeces which can be imitated by satan. And we also need to realize that it is a word in season, that sometimes there is a significant period of time between the spoken word of prophesy and its fulfillment. For God will fulfill it at the right time.

    Sometimes satan will bring someone into your life to speak a word of prophesy that puffs up your ego to pull you off track from the perfect will of God in your life. Anything that keeps you from fulfilling your plan from God is not a true word of prophesy.

    Satan had a plan to kill Living Word Chapel. Pastor Don had a word from God that he would be a pastor of a church, but at the time, Pastor Don was youth minister and did a Bible study under a pastor of the Living Word Chapel. At some conference, a woman came up to him with a “word from God.” She told him that he was to pastor a church and should leave Living Word Chapel and start his own church immediately. Pastor Don thanked her and filed it away in his mind, later discussing it with his wife. She told him that she did not feel comfortable with this woman’s prophesy, so Pastor Don tabled it and kept seeking God. He too came away with a feeling that that was not the time to do this, so he stayed at Living Word Chapel. As time went by, the pastor moved away and Pastor Don was appointed pastor, and I and many others are certainly glad for that!

    But Pastor Don pointed out to us that just because a word of prophesy is spoken over us, it does not mean that we accept it as true, or that we act immediately on the word of prophesy. We need to seek God before any move in our lives, to make sure it is His Perfect Will for our lives. If we don’t we may end up on a sidetrack and not be working as effectively for God’s Kingdom, even if what we are doing is “good” works. If God isn’t in it, it is not as effective.

    Don’t forget that satan is wandering to and fro listening to us, and his time is short on this earth. He hears our words, and sees our actions and can discern what is most appealing to us, and can use that through a false word of knowledge to pull us off track.

    Matthew 12:22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw.

    Pastor Don asked us why this man wasn’t healed on his faith. I mentioned that it was because he could not hear and faith comes by hearing. I was wrong, I assumed incorrectly that if a person was mute that meant they couldn’t hear, but that is not necessarily so. One of our members works with children with speech problems and she pointed out that with mute people, some can’t speak, others have an inability to form words, others are tongue tied, others speak at home, but not in school, some have selective mutism.

    He had to be brought to Christ for healing, someone had to bring him to Christ.

    Matthew 12:23-24 And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David? Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

    They assumed that satan could cast out satan, but this doesn’t happen. Satan’s kingdom is not that powerful that he would do that.

    Matthew 12:25-26 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them; “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. If satan casts out satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?

    Jesus knows their wrong thinking about the spiritual realm, realizing it was argumentative but nonsense –the devil reproduces what God did on a kingdom basis, and sets himself up as ruler, and he rules and reigns. His kingdom is in a state of constant rebelion, so when we feel beset by the devil one of the most effective prayers is to pray confusion in the enemy’s camp. There are Biblical precedents for that, Giddeon where the enemy fought itself is an example.

    Satan’s plan is to thwart God in the brief time remaining, seeking whom he can devour and destroy, to bring death.

    So often when we are in a spiritual battle, we end up dropping the sword of the Word of God. Our strongest weapon is to stand on the truth of God. Because of his limited time on earth, satan is looking for the weakest person to pull astray. He is not seeking to divide his kingdom, but to pull more people down to his kingdom. If satan can get us to react in a situation with fear, then he can cause a circumstance to enlarge in our lives.

    Pastor Don pointed out that if a ghost were in the room (not that there are ghosts), but if there were it could pass through all the people in the room. If a person said to themselves, “I feel a ghost,” than that evil spirit could clamp onto that thought, and increase the feelings, until there is a tangible presence. We need to watch what we focus on in our thought life, for our thoughts often become words. The sooner we can stop a wrong thought, the better, for then we will not act it into manifestation.

    Matthew 12: 26-27 If satan casts out satan, he is divided against himself, How then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out?Therefore they shall be your judges.

    The Bible speaks strongly about not seeking out soothsayers, witches, etc. Remember Saul went to the witch of Endor, who brought up either Samuel or a familiar spirit, so Saul violated God’s law. The devil does not intersect with what God has in our lives, if it is not God, then don’t let the devil draw you away from God’s will.

    Matthew 12:28-30 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

    Jesus points out that since He is of God’s kingdom, if He casts out a satan, it is to show that God’s kingdom is here on earth. If one wants to plunder a strong man, the man has to be bound. When we refuse to believe God’s word, we allow satan to bind us, and then satan can affect our lives. Only if we are with Jesus, only if His words are in our mouths, are we able to defeat the enemy, if not, we become divided and scattered and chaotic.

    We, when we are saved, have a clean house – temple (body). Remember that when Jesus cast out the demons, he told the man to be careful because if there is an opening, satan will come back and bring many others demons. When we are washed by the Word of God, we have to keep our minds clear of thoughts and feelings and actions that are not of God. We need to discern if something is from us or from the pit of hell. We cannot afford to fall asleep at the wheel.

    Hope you have a wonderful Sunday!

    Heather

Comments (19)

  • Thank you maam, we appreciate your prayers, encouragement and your heart.

    God Bless you,

    Robert

  • Heather, this is so hard!

    *sobs/sighs*

  • yeah knowing which voice is speaking is rather important! and sometimes my mind gets so snarled!    I too am thankful that he is will complete that which he has begun!!    THANK GOD HE ISN”T FINISHED WITH ME YET!  I am a MasterPiece in the making! Have a great weekend  Teresa

  • “If we do not keep discerning what areas are weak in our lives, we will end up leaving ourselves open in those areas that satan can come in and influence. Satan wants to bring people down, like Haggert, for then satan casts doubt on the whole body of Christ.”

    Isn’t that so true?

  • Thank you for your prayers.  This was an interesting post, thanks for sharing.

  • actually the answer to that question has eternal value, quite much of it. understanding the question will help us understand more clearly of sovereignty. read my update! :D

  • I just finished reading “Don’t fall asleep…” parts I & II, as well as the post just prior to them. There is so much really good content here. Yes, we really do need to keep our selves alert to what the Holy Spirit is teaching us in the Word, & to apply it very carefully! Thank you for your encouraging and sweet comments on my sites. Have a blessed Sunday. BTW ~ Are you still working at the school? You’d mentioned before the way that God used you to minister to a young teen girl. ~ Blessings! Carolyn

  • As always, thanks for stopping by and leaving a quick comment. Hope you’re having a good weekend!

  • So much that’s being taught, is the same thing that’s been taught for the last 100 years and before.  Daniel said in the last days that knowledge will increase, so we had better be ready to make room and recieve this new knowledge, and we have check it out, to see if it’s so, before the cares of the world chokes it out.  Many are to lazy or to busy.

    eddieray

  • Dear Heather! ~ I was just wondering the same…if not cleaning house would add four more years…you too have a wonderful Lord’s Day! Good to hear from you. ~ jenny

  • Dear Heather,

    I am thankful for the church you attend, as your pastor seems to carry an annointing of wisdom within him.  A wonderful shepherd leads every sheep in His flock to a plentiful pasture.  Amen?

    Thank you for your prayers and encouragements on my site.  I can feel God’s presence within you, yes, even through a PC.  How awesome is our God?  Can any of us imagine the great and mighty things He has done (and is doing) for us?

    May God continue to bless you with wisdom, knowledge, and understanding as you witness to all of those who come into your path.  May God be glorified, in you, around you, and through you.  In Jesus’ name, amen.

    Love in Christ,

  • PS-There is a wonderful book that discusses the discernment topic.  “Dialogue with God” by Mark Vercler (That last name isn’t right…but I will check online to see if I can find out who he is by title.)

  • Thanks for stopping in to say hi!  Interesting post.  Blessings to you….Q.’

  • hello, heather!  i’m Ashley (pickleevans), u came by and said hi earlier today.  just thought i’d say hi.  nice to meet u, i hope u enjoy Heartbeat as much as i have.

    ttyl

  • Hi Heather!  I’m Heather too!  LOL  Thanks for visiting and commenting on my blog.  I hope you’re having a great weekend!  Sounds like you had a great time with the girls at the skating rink.  I remember those days as a kid.  Thanks for sharing your pastor’s sermons.

    Heather

  • Aloha Heather,

    Perhaps you are right, but my defination is not bound by what other men say it must be.  Mine is found in the world.  It is not found in the drowning of a planet because he is upset and then his remorse and promise to never do it again.

    No mine is found in the love and brotherhood that does exist between you and I despite our differences.  Perhaps for you to be here you need the Bible and if so I promote where you are as good for you.  But I do not need the lessons from the Bible to know how to act, what to do or how to be.  I was blessed that my parents brought me up in the bosom of the Bible, but that is where they got their morals from.  I see them in other forms of spirituality as well/

    And make no mistake, I know exactly how big he is and what he can do.   Religion makes illogical statements and has illogical stories and practices.  But each faith needs this to exist.  The truth does not and is not illogical.  Neither is unconditional which is how our father and I love everyone.

    justmarty

  • Thanks for stopping by and for your nice comments.  Trina

  • Dear Marty, (Please, if you choose not to read the whole discussion, there is a question in the last paragraph I am praying you read and answer.) God is God. God is sovereign. There is one God. God made the earth, and as creator, God sets the rules. We have a choice – obey the rules or not. If we do not obey God’s rules, there is judgment and consequences. Because we are people, God also knew that obedience would be a problem for us, so He gave a solution,  a savior who came down from Heaven, suffered a horrific death as a sacrifice for our sins and disobedience, and then rose again to rule and reign in Heaven. We have a choice, just like when we receive a gift on earth, we can open the gift and use it or we can reject it. I choose to accept the wonderful gift of salvation that God provides, and with that gift there comes an eternity of joy. If you choose not to accept that gift, there are consequences, and as I have told you before the consequences are eternal. Separation from God, and the pit of hell. YOU get to pick. God knows in His heart that in order to be loved by us, we have to choose Him, it can’t be forced on us.

    I don’t know how you raise your two sons, but I suspect that you also lay down some guidelines for them (at least I hope you do!). These guidelines have consequences if they are not adhered to. And I am hoping that they are made out of love for your sons and for their best interests. God too does that with us, there are guidelines to follow, and those guidelines are for our best interests. If we live within those guidelines we will find real joy, to disobey them brings suffering to us.

    If you are seeking things in the world, you will find that the world will be very disappointing. For one thing it will pass away, it is not eternal. If you are seeking from other people, they too will disappoint you. I am not telling you what other MEN say it must be, but what the ETERNAL GOD says it must be. God did not drown a planet because HE was upset. He drowned a planet because it had degenerated so much that to preserve those who had not fallen to such depths of debauchery, only 8 individuals, and they were not perfect either, Moses got drunk later, but at least they had not done such awful things, there was hope for redemption for them. He promised never to drown the whole earth again, but there will be judgment on the whole earth again in the form of fire (not rain) if you read Revelation. I want to ask you a for instance question. What if you woke up in the morning and found three rats in your kitchen and you knew that these rats carried a fatal disease and could bite you and your sons while you slept, what would you do? Would you tolerate the rats because they are creatures too or would you find a trap and destroy the rats so that they could not hurt you, but also wouldn’t hurt others as well (our would you let them go knowing that they could also hurt your neighbors)? Would you search your house because you know that if you found three rats in your kitchen there must be a nest and other rats? Would you seal up the hole that they got into your house through to protect your family? Well God also sees rats on the earth, and He stays His hand for hundreds of years and at times thousands of years until He knows that they are only going to inflict more damage and inspite of many chances to change, refuse to do God’s right and just will. Then He acts. He does not act rashly, and He does not like to destroy life, but in order to preserve life, sometimes things must be destroyed. If you are sick because of germs in your body and take an antibiotic you are destroying millions of other lifeforms with that antibiotic, but preserving your life. I wouldn’t want to be in your version of heaven because it would not be safe. Unrepentent sinners walking around with those who are loving, we would be prey. We have a lifetime here on earth to get it right, if we make the wrong choices here on earth, there are eternal consequences. I choose to make the right choice, the truth.

    Do you know why there is brotherhood between us? It isn’t because of how wonderful man is. It is because of the values set down by God. Marty, what would this world be like if we were left to our own devices without any guidance? We would soon turn against each other. Just a simple commandment like “Thou shalt not steal.” If that were not ingrained in us from childhood, how many would just take what they want, no matter if it is “yours” and you spent three years saving up for it.

    You profess to love your two sons – what if a person decided not to obey the commandment of “Thou shalt not kill,” and killed your two sons, what would you do? Where would you turn? How would you respond? Unlike God, you cannot offer a promise of resurrection, a promise of eternal life. You cannot offer a peace that passes all understanding like God does.

    You are right, other religions have a FORM OF SPIRITUALITY. Yes they do. Many of them, on the surface, seem very “Christian” and moral, and good. But dig a little deeper and you will find that there are inconsistencies, things that are slightly skewed. If someone wanted to counterfeit a $20 bill, they are not going to print it with pink ink so that it stands out, they are going to make it imitate the real thing. We have the real thing so other religions imitate Christianity.

    You are also right when you say RELIGION makes illogical statements – religion is set up by man and man is illogical. But a RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD, is very consistent. God is not a man that he shall lie. God is God.

    You are right, TRUTH IS NOT ILLOGICAL, but anything based on man’s authority is illogical. Man is not perfect. We all make mistakes, little ones and big ones. That is why we need a savior.

    And you have to agree with me that there cannot be two truths that are true simultaneously. If Christianity states, “There is only one God.” and the Hindus state that “There are many Gods” those cannot be true simultaneously. One has to be true and the other false.

    You need to pick your truth, pick what you will believe and go by it 100%. What you are trying to do is to pick the best of things that are not equal and the same. I pick God, because God offers all that I want and God is very consistent. I don’t find that consistency in other religions, and where are the leaders of the other religions? Dead. I prefer serving God who is very much alive.

    Marty, when you make the choice to accept Jesus as your savior, there are many places I will be able to send you to to help you on this path. I would be willing to find a pastor who could talk with you to help you sort out the truth from the untruth.

    I am curious though, if you were brought up in the bosom of Christianity, what made you change your mind about God? I used to say so many of the same things about God because I was deeply disappointed in God and felt that He had abandoned me. If you haven’t read my testimony, you may want to. We would have gotten along fabulously a few years ago, agreeing in many of the points you share with me. I took a chance and read the Bible from cover to cover, and then did it again. Those two readings showed me things that I hadn’t seen when I was just picking and choosing parts of the Bible to bash. So what caused you to be so disappointed in God? I really do care about you enough to want to know.

    Heather

  • It’s amazing how demons can atttach themselves to your insecurities. When I think I feel an “evil” presence and let myself linger on that thought, it becomes magnified. I make it worse than it is by continuing to focus on it. Thanks for your lesson, and all the advice you have given.

    Love,

    Rach Bing

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