May 1, 2006
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Heather is chuckling very much after reading what I am going to share with you. (Remember the Seinfeld episode when Jimmy spoke of himself in third person, Jimmy feels this, Jimmy feels that, etc.). Well Heather is chuckling. I remember the struggles I had with philosophy classes. My father-in-law a rather curmudgeon of a man once surprised me when I commented that I had to carry around a dictionary to read Descartes. He asked me what word I wanted to know, I told him and he gave me definition. Go figure.
Anyway in this class we had to study all the well known ones including Spinoza and Hume and many many others. I struggled with that kind of logical thinking. Who would have thunk that this book shown above would have been prime digging for a term paper in those days. Almost makes me want to go back and take a Philosophy course to ask some of the questions this book poses.
I am going to quote from page 205 to 208, enjoy she says smiling. Trust me, it is EASY to understand. The authors are so clear in their description.
“…In fact, Hume’s argument against miracles is one of the pillars of the so-called Enlightenment (that’s where we supposedly become enlightened enough to abandon our superstitious belief in miracles and put our faith in reason and empirical truths found by the scientific method). Hume’s argument helped advance the naturalistic worldview, which later metastasized with Darwin’s theory of evolution.
What follows is basically the material I presented to the audience at Harvard that day. I began by spelling out Hume’s anti-miracle argument and then moved on to critiquing it. Here is Hume’s argument is syllogistic form:
1. Natural law is by definition description of a regular occurrence.
2. A miracle is by definition a rare occurrence.
3. The evidence for the regular is always greater than for the rare.
4. A wise man always bases his belief on the greater evidence.
5. Therefore, a wise man should never believe in miracles.
If these four premises are true, then the conclusion necessarily follows –the wise man should never believe in miracles. Unfortunately for Hume and for those over the years who have believed him, the argument has a false premise –premise 3 is not necessarily true. The evidence for the regular is not always greater than that for the rare.
At first glance this might not seem to be the case. In the age of instant replay, premise 3 seems to make sense. For example, a football referee sees a play from one angle at full speed, while we get to see it from several angles in slow motion. We have greater evidence seeing a play over and over again (the regular) than does the ref who only sees it once (the rare).
But what may be true for a videotaped football game is not necessarily true for every event in life. To disprove premise 3 we only need to come up with one counterexample. We actually have several and they are from Hume’s own naturalistic worldview:
1. The origin of the universe happened only once. It was a rare, unrepeatable event, yet virtually every naturalist believes that the Big Bang evidence proves that the universe exploded into being.
2. The origin of life happened only once. It too was a rare, unrepeatable event, yet every naturalist believes that life arose spontaneously from non-life somewhere on the earth or elsewhere in the universe.
3. The origin of new life forms also happened only once. Those rare, unrepeatable events are nevertheless dogmatically believed by most naturalists, who say it all happened by unobserved (i.e.rare) macroevolutionary processes.
4. In fact, the entire history of the world is comprised of rare, unrepeatable events. For Example David Hume’s own birth happened only once, but he had no trouble believing it occurred!
In every one of these counterexamples from Hume’s own naturalistic worldview, his third premise must be disregarded or considered false. If Hume really believed in that premise, he would not have believed in his own birth or his own naturalistic worldview!
So we know by some of these counterexamples that Hume’s third premise, and his entire argument, cannot be true. But what are the specific problems with this naturalistic kind of thinking?
First, it confuses believability with possibility. Even if premise 3 were true, the argument would not disprove the possibility of miracles; it would only question their believability. So even if you personally witnessed, say, Jesus Christ rising from dead as he predicted–if you were in the tomb, verified the body was dead, and then saw him get up and walk out of the tomb—Hume’s argument says that you (a “wise” person) shouldn’t believe it. There’s something wrong with an argument that tells you to disbelieve what you have verified to be true.
Second, Hume confuses probability with evidence. He doesn’t weigh the evidence for each rare event; rather he adds the evidence for all regular events and suggests that this somehow makes all rare events unworthy of belief. But this is flawed reasoning as well. There are many improbable (rare) events in life that we believe when we have good evidence for them…. “(Geisler gives an example of a hole in one)”…So the issue is not whether an event is regular or rare–the issue is whether we have good evidence for the event. We must weigh evidence for the event in question, not add evidence for all previous events.
Third, Hume is actually arguing in a circle. Instead of evaluating the veracity of the evidence for each miracle claim, Hume rules out belief in miracles in advance because he believes there is uniform evidence against them….”(a CS Lewis quote shows how this is circular reasoning)”….So Hume commits the same error as the Darwinists—he hides his conclusion in the premise of the argument by way of a false philosophical presupposition….Therefore, human beings may have experienced true miracles. The only way to know for sure is to investigate the evidence for each miracle claim. Assuming that each and every miracle claim is false, as Hume does, is clearly illegitimate.”
It goes on for some more about Hume, but I think this gives the gist of the argument. Then Geisler and Turek talk about how the stunned Harvard class had no questions, and how in the 1980′s he challenged a Princeton University professor to debate this. The professor asked for a copy of his presentation before the debate which was given to the professor. The professor did not show up for the debate claiming an emergency, and the meeting was canceled. I love it!!!
On Page 209 he concludes, “The reluctance to deal directly with the flaws in Hume’s argument tells us that disbelief in miracles is probably more a matter of the will than of the mind. It seems as though some people uncritically cling to David Hume’s argument because they simply don’t want to admit that God exists. But since we know that God exists, miracles are possible. Any argument against miracles that can be concocted, including that of David Hume, is destroyed by that one fact. For if there is a God who can act, there can be acts of God (miracles).”
AMEN AND AMEN to that!!!
Then he makes the perfect ending to the section on page 210, “Hume’s argument is hard to believe! We might say it’s a “miracle” so many people still believe it.”
Hope you enjoyed this as much as I did. What is good about this book is that the authors do not begin by using the Bible to prove points (although later on they will show that the Bible is real) but they lay out arguments that use science and logic to prove truth, absolute values, God, creation, how Darwin is false, etc. in a highly readable and understandable manner – it would be a good book to challenge an atheistic or agnostic friend to read.
Heather
Comments (13)
Early in my own faith, Heather, I began becoming aware of this type of literature and thought. I became quite enamored with the mind-blowing amount of real, meaningful data, arguments, evidence, etc., that supports (I would say demonstrates beyond any reasonable doubt) the validity of the 1st) The Resurrection of the Jesus Christ, 2nd) The validity and reliability of the Bible and the information contained therein, and 3rd) the more general existence of a Creator of the Universe and life. I think this stuff is wonderful and fun and edifying.
My only complaint is that I chose to fill my head and heart with this “stuff,” rather than actually engaging the living Christ and his living Word, for far, far too long. Evidence is good. Jesus is better. People can have all kinds of evidence, and still head strait for hell. The Devil is the perfect example: The devil has all the right doctrines, all the right knowledge — He just doesn’t love God.
But while it’s obvious to you and I that people must have a supernatural work done in them to see the beauty and the desirability and the truth of the glory of the gospel of Christ, I still think there is real value in learning the things you’re going to come across in a book like that. I have many friends who would disagree, but I think they’re mistaken. If evidence drives some to their knees, good, — so long as it gets them on their knees.
And although I, in recent years, have experienced Christ in so many miraculous, life changing, intimate, personal, undeniable ways, I did not have that to fall back on early in my faith. When I received and embraced the Gospel, I was utterly innocent in my faith. I believed as a child. I simply knew that it was true the first time I heard it, at 22 years of age. For a failure like me, (an alcoholic, druggie, drop-out, dad who’d never even seen or met or knew for sure of the existence of his child) the Gospel seemed exactly what it was: The power of God, too good to be true, BEAUTIFUL & REAL. But shortly thereafter, as I began to examine the Bible, and as I struggled with real repentance and the struggles of the flesh being in conflict with the Spirit, I became riddled with doubt and skepticism. What if I believed a fairy-tale? What if I believed a lie?
Examining whole cloth the evidences for the validity of the resurrection accounts is what has forever put that doubt and skepticism to death. Jesus lived, told people he was God, died on a Roman cross, and came back from the dead, motivating his downtrodden and pathetic disciples to turn the world upside down. It happened. It’s an objective reality of human history, and it’s apex at that.
My faith, which is from start to finish a supernatural grace (free gift from God and of God and by God), is based in the fullest imaginable sense in objective reality. It’s a killer combination. Or perhaps a life-giving one…
…he says to himself, laughing and crying all the way.
God bless you and your family, Heather.
James.
P.S. – Check out Josh McDowell’s original printing of Evidence that Demands a Verdict, Vol I. (A second, condensed printing came out a few years ago, and it’s a completely dumbed-down book. I’m a hard-evidence kind-of-a-guy, and the original printing, which you can find on e-bay for a few bucks, is really a great in-depth look at the evidence for the validity of the bible and the resurrection.
Thanks for sharing Heather. I also thought as I was reading how gullible people are when someone presents such strong statements as fact. We seem like a very competitive and curious people in so many other ways, so why are we so apt to just accept such foolishness without taking the challenge on ourselves of digging for the truth. Latest case in point, The Da Vinci Code controversy. Be blessed ~Sherry
Interesting stuff. I struggle often with stuff that goes too deep. I know I need to keep looking to learn. Right now I am reading a Max Lucado book. More on a lighter level. At least for now.
Tim
You are right, it is not necessary to read these books to increase faith, I just stumbled on this one and it has been a pleasure to read. My faith was formed by reading the Bible several times through and seeing the consistency of the text, and learning more and more of the love of God. I think I get great glee from what I quoted above because I really did not like Philosophy, at least the course I took.
Heather
Hi, just wondering, have you heard of the book Velvet Elvis? Not so much about phylosophy, but I wonder what you think of what Rob Bell has to say.
When I was expecting our first child, we had no TV and I went to the library and checked out all the books I was supposed to have read in school. It would be great to go back and discuss them with the teachers.
Hey, thanks for your comment
I was so excited to get my lisence.
I just saw you came from my dads site. Thanks so much for commenting to him. He enjoys reading people’s feedback on his posts
Have a good day!
I love Seinfeld…anytime someone can use him as an example …I get it! HA HA HA!
Thanks for sharing!
Heather, I know what book I’m reading next. Excellent post. I enjoy reading your stuff and thanks for commenting on my entries, too. It is amazing how good our God is. I like also the comment from the first person about how when he came to Christ it was plain and innocent childlike faith. This too was my story. I was not critically minded and did not seriously study all aspects before I accepted Christ. I do agree with him that there are those who can have all sorts of evidence yet head straight for hell anyway. Some people are stubborn minded. One thing I will say however, if someone is convinced through proofs and hard study of the validity of the claims of Christ and the reliability of the Bible, they will not easily be persuaded to abandon their faith for other pursuits. I’ve known several people who by careful studying came to Christ and they are very sturdy and stable in their faith. And avid apologists and evangelists to the non-believer. This is not to negate the truth that the Holy Spirit is the only way that any of us can come to Christ at all. The Holy Spirit knows how to work in each individual and bring them to repentance by some it is through crisis and emotional desperation and others it is through study and the intellect. But in any case it is only by His working in the lives of people that they even recognize their need for God at all.
Hi miss Heather. Sorry i havent been by to say hello lately. Get side tracked on quite a few things. The depth of discussion on creation and the existence of God can for sure get all bogged down in details and the simplicity of Christ and taking Him and what He says as simple truth sort of disappears. I am really glad that i am not a person given to needing a lot of scientific proof to support my faith. Not one given to questioning everything that is written in scripture. I am one of those foolish ones the world considers, that just believes. And i am glad for that. God creates people of all types, mind sets, depth and to feed those people His details are there, the intricacy of His creation, His laws, His ability to hold all things together, because He is a god of detail and exactness. So that is cool. Have a great week in Him. May your days be blessed and strong and that you continue to grow in Him, for i am convenced that the good work He has begun in you, He will continue on to perfection. Yer ol bro..(m)
As always, great stuff, Heather…Thank you for letting us know about this resource!!!!!!!! How mightily you are being used by our Lord…I love you and I am praying for you and your dear family…Paula
Awesome post. Thanks for sharing.
Ahh I’m hungry. Gotta get some food.
Kenneth =)
Thank you sweetie ! Britt did very well and recovered quickly ! OH … to have youth on your side ! haha
Thanx for sharing ….
Love ya ! ; )
Thank You for sharing this with all of us,…
God Bless, we look forward to hearing more!
Robert