April 29, 2006

  • Grrrrrr. Can’t get a book put up on the site, but I want to share an incredible book with you. I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist by Norman L. Geisler and Frank Turek.


    It is an incredible apologetic tool, answering a variety of question. It is highly readable, you can give it to an atheist to read, and it also is very good at strengthening faith in areas where you may need some shoring up. I have chuckled so much in reading this book that I encourage you to acquire it.


    It covers many topics that atheists would debate, from truth, to evolution, to creation, to relativism, etc.


    In a chapter regarding Relativism, that there is no absolute truth and no absolute moral values, the authors give a funny example that shows a student that asserted that there were no absolute values, but that they really did not believe that.


    From Page 173-174


         A professor at a major university in Indiana gave one of his relativistic students the same experience not long ago. The professor, who was teaching a class in ethics, assigned a term paper to his students. He told the students to write on any ethical topic of their choice, requiring each student only to properly back up his or her thesis with reasons and documentation.
         One student, an atheist, wrote eloquently on the topic of moral relativism. He argued, “All morals are relative; there is no absolute standard of justice or rightness; it’s all a matter of opinion; you like chocolate, I like vanilla,” and so on. His paper provided both his reasons and his documentation. It was the right length, on time, and stylishly presented in a handsome blue folder.
         After the professor read the entire paper, he wrote on the front cover, “F, I don’t like blue folders!” When the student got the paper back he was enraged. He stormed into the professor’s office and protested. “‘F! I don’t like blue folders!’ That’s not fair! That’s not right! That’s not just! You didn’t grade the paper on its merits!”
         Raising his hand to quiet the bombastic student, the professor calmly retorted, “Wait a minute. Hold on. I read a lot of papers. Let me see…wasn’t your paper the one that said there is no such thing as fairness, rightness, and justice?”
         “Yes,” the student answered.
         “Then what’s this you say about me not being  fair, right, and just?” the professor asked. “Didn’t your paper argue that it’s all a matter of taste? You like chocolate, I like vanilla?”
         The student replied, “Yes, that’s my view.”
         “Fine then,” the professor responded. “I don’t like blue. You got an F!”
         Suddenly the lightbulb went on in the student’s head. He realized he really did believe in moral absolutes. He at least believed in justice. After all, he was charging his professor with injustice for giving him an F simply because of the color of the folder. That simple fact defeated his entire case for relativism.
         The moral of the story is that there are absolute morals. And if you really want to get relativists to admit it, all you need to do is treat them unfairly. Their reactions will reveal the Moral Law written on their hearts and minds.”


    The book then goes on and give more detailed arguments and shows clearly the fallacies of some of these doctrines. But the examples that are peppered throughout the book help to make the book readable.


    I am typing up notes from Pastor Don’s  Bible study from today and before I submit it for you to read I want to listen to my tape to make sure I got all the details accurate.It was a detailed study.


    Heather

Comments (17)

  • Awesome. Thank for sharing that—I’ll have to read that book.

    Peace.

  • Greetings, milady…

    I should very much wonder (as is my custom, having such a curious nature) as to exactly how you found my Xanga and what your interest is in it.

  • Yeah, I read that book last winter. It’s a great one! Glad you’re enjoying it too.

  • I love that story!  The ultimate in “give him a taste of his own medicine”!!!  Nobody wants to  follow rules until someone hurts them by breaking a rule, then they scream like stuck pigs.  I’m looking forward to reading your notes from the bible study:)  Have a blessed weekend!  Gerrie

  • i’ve seen that book many times in my local bookstore. i think i’ll pick it up next time.

  • What a great illustration in the foolishness of relativism. Thanks for sharing.  I hope you have a wonderful weekend.  Be blessed ~ Sherry

  • I like that illustration.

    Have a blessed day!

    Michele

  • Why would I not want you to subscribe? I was only curious. Feel free to join in.

    Farewell for now, milday.

  • i’m going to find that book…thanks for sharing..

  • I’ve heard of that book and from reading the entry from its pages .. I def am going to get it.

    Christina

  • That really sounds like an interesting book, I will have to check it out.  Thanks for posting the story!

    Alisha

  • It really is a great book.  My pastor (also a Pastor Don) and I once co-taught a Sunday school course using it (with Lee Strobel’s The Case for Faith as a supplement).  And that excerpt was one of my favorite parts in it.

    God bless,

    JB

  • Excuse my ignorance, but what does RYC mean?

  • *Quote*

    Suddenly the lightbulb went on in the student’s head. He realized he really did believe in moral absolutes. He at least believed in justice. After all, he was charging his professor with injustice for giving him an F simply because of the color of the folder. That simple fact defeated his entire case for relativism.
         The moral of the story is that there are absolute morals. And if you really want to get relativists to admit it, all you need to do is treat them unfairly. Their reactions will reveal the Moral Law written on their hearts and minds.”

    Romans 2:14-16 (New King James Version)
    14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

    What a wonderful correlation!

    Great post, thanks for sharing!

    God Bless,

    Robert

  • Excellent post! What a great example! That book sounds like one well worth reading. Thanks for sharing. <3 Carolyn

  • Read it twice and taught it to our Men’s Bible Fellowship. Fantastic book. By the way, they, Norman L. Geisler and Frank Turek, believe theologically pretty much as I do. I have spoken with Geisler and written Turek. There is also a whole xanga blog ring for the book.

  • Hey there…great post!!!!!!

    thanks for the comments! It is neat when our pastors pull of little surprises eh? I am involved in some of those things so I usually know ahead of time most of what they are doing!!!!!!!! Plus, I am pretty close to our pastors wife! Hope you have a wonderful monday in the Lord!!!!!!!!

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