April 20, 2006

  • If you look at my links box you will find one for In His Name Ministry. On this site you can listen to some of Pastor Don’s teachings, watch a few TV shows with him preaching. He has two great books published – One called Christianese and the other called Not Forsaken;  Healing the Father Wound. Both books are great and impacting. I do hope though Pastor Don does publish his discipleship manual, for there is much information in that that would help the body of Christ.


    What I particularly love about Pastor Don is his heart for the lost, the genuine love that he shows, and how patiently he reaches out to help people see the love of God. I was blessed to be the recipient of that when I started speaking with him as those of you who have read my testimony saw (3/24/06 entry). He teaches the church members this too, for it breaks his heart if someone does not feel loved and accepted when they walk through the church doors.


    Here is another entry from the discipleship manual that may bless you, from pages 57 and 58.


    Condemnation


       Don’t stand up and identify anybody’s sin, behavior or actions. Let’s say you have a friend who’s “living in sin.” Don’t stand up and say, “I’m bringing this guy to church and he’s breaking God’s law.” or “He’s not living right.” or “He’s got to get straightened out.” Don’t embarrass people or over-expose them to criticism, judgement, and condemnation. It’s embarrassing, and you have to give people time to come to the Lord and get right first in their hearts.


       ***People must first see the Power and Love of God before they’ll
              receive the correction of God.


       Jesus met the woman at the well, and it wasn’t until after a foundation of conversation was laid and she recognized that He was the Teacher that He prophesied a Word of Knowledge over her in a non-condemning way, pointing out her sin. We want to be like Jesus. Look at how He did this.


       Turn to the Book of John Chapter 4. Jesus is at Jacob’s well. John 4:7 “A woman of Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said to her, “Give me a drink.”" Now verse 9, “Then the woman of Samaria said to Him, “How is it that You, being a Jew, ask a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?” For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.” Actually the Jews considered the Samaritans dogs. So Jesus breaks down the wall of prejudice and accepts her by two things. First: she’s a woman and He’s speaking to her, second: He knows immediately she’s a Samaritan, but goes beyond prejudice.


       Let’s look at the scene. They are on a journey and it was about the sixth hour. The sixth hour is about high noon. She is doing a most difficult labor that no one chooses to do at the hottest time of the day. The reason she would do it then is because she’s trying not to meet people at the well in the heat of the day. Her reputation is soiled and she’s probably avoiding the “respectable” women who draw water at the cool of the day in the morning. Then she speaks to Jesus and identifies the fact that she’s a Samaritan woman and He’s a Jew. She says, “How can you ask me for a drink?” Jesus is immediately saying, “I’m going to meet you where you are, at the level where you are. I’m going to accept you and treat you with love. If not love, then, at least acceptance. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt”


       When we over-expose someone, we are not giving them any benefit, doubt or otherwise. We are condemning them, elevating ourselves and putting them down. We are saying, “I’m saved, born-again, spirit-filled, but you…you have the good sense to come to church with me, but…you don’t qualify yet.” Jesus wasn’t doing that, though He could have. Not only is He a Jew, but He is the Lord.


       In the 10th verse Jesus says, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that says to you, “Give me a drink,” you would have asked Him and He would have given you living water.” They continue on and talk about the well and the water. Jesus goes on in verse 13, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again…In verse 15 the woman said, “Sir, give me this water that I may not thirst…” She has opened the door here. In verse 15, the woman has established that Jesus has something that she doesn’t have and now Jesus, by His conversation with her, and the fact that He hasn’t dealt with her in a prejudiced or condemning way, has made it possible for her to identify her own need.


       Next she says to Jesus, “Give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty.” Another interesting thing, if you notice, Jesus said to her, “Everybody who drinks this water will be thirsty again.” He used everyone. therefore, not signaling her out. He didn’t say to her, “Woman, if you drink this water, you’re going to be thirsty again.” Go to verse 14: “but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst.” And not, “Woman, I have the answer to your problem. If you take My answer, you’ll never thirst.” He continued, “But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”


       Jesus has painted such an indirect, third person situation that it makes the woman free to accept or reject without condemnation. As opposed to, “I got it. You ain’t. I’m giving it away, if you want it, but if you don’t want it, you’re going to hell, and I know private things about you too!!” That is very ineffective because by the time the person does come to the Lord, they won’t want you to have been the vessel or the messenger. And you won’t get the crown or the reward.


       In many cases that’s why we can’t win our neighbors, family, and the people closest to us. When we express ourselves in that manner it is seen as arrogant and condemning. you want to avoid appearing judgmental. If what you have is so good, you want to express it like, “Man, this is really good, in the sense that it really works for me. I really love the Lord. It’s a beautiful thing that really works for me.” And leave it at that. They’ll get the message. As opposed to, “It really works for me and, if you don’t do what I’m doing, you’re going to hell.” Might be true, but we don’t need to say it. Except as a last resort, and only under the unction (leading of the Holy Spirit).


    ****


    Heather’s comments:


    I have been on the receiving end of some heavy-handed evangelism, and walked away often mocking the person, not listening, tuned them out. Trust me when I say that more will be accomplished quicker by planting a seed of love. I think that we often feel we have to do it all, and in one fell swoop. Yes, the time is short, and yes, there are times when you must tell a person bluntly get saved or you will end up in hell. But often your walk in the Lord will entice a person, making them want to know what it is that you have. If you face a crisis with faith, that will interest those who are watching you and your walk with the Lord. Sometimes just what you do on a day to day basis will have more impact, for it shows that you walk the walk, not just talk the talk. Talk is cheap, the walk shows commitment. I think it boils down to following the promptings of the Holy Spirit. And sometimes planting a seed once, that another will water later on down the road is as important as bending a person to your beliefs. But again, it is a situation by situation thing, and there are times when you are prompted to not just plant a seed, but do a complete renovation of the garden. God will guide if you let Him. Remember where you came from, and realize that it took time to get to where you are, and give people the courtesy to let them come to points of realization in their own timing. Entice, and intrigue will sometimes break down barriers.


    I belong to a Woman’s Book Club, and I suspect that 3/4 of the members are either New Age or non-believers, or those who have rejected church completely. These women have delighted in picking books (they do know my past, my previous involvement in the occult before I got saved, and the fact that I am now a Christian) that are rather challenging to me. Two that I can think of are the DaVinci Code, and the Mists of Avalon. During our discussions they would pointedly ask me what I thought of the books. I would tell them, when I was a witch I felt this way….now I feel this way… One of the members said to me, “You know what I like about you Heather? You don’t seem to go at religion from a denomination or a set of beliefs or laws, you just seem to have a relationship with Jesus.” What a complement, for that means that they are seeing the effects of my walk with God, not the particular denomination or seeing me as a legalist. Yet, I am able to honestly talk about God.


    I am not always so perfect in this though, and there are times when I bite my tongue and wish I could take back things that I have said to people. So sometimes I pray that God will cause a crop failure for words I have spoken, or that if something is not right for a person to hear, that they don’t hear it.


    I think too that if you genuinely love the people you are relating with, even if you make a mistake they will see that it comes from love.


    Hope you have a blessed day! As you can see, I had a bit of insomnia tonight.


    Heather

Comments (10)

  • Hello Heather, Stopped by to read your post and thought I would respond to your comment about having to be blunt with someone lest they wind up in he double toothpicks.  (The boys love it when I call it that)

    As a studier of the bible what do you think that the passages of Isaiah 44:28 – 45:3 could mean. 

    Bestowing such lofty revered titles on someone who was a follower of the faith of Zoroastrian by our father is different.  I recently entered into a timeline discussion with someone and it appears that perhaps the bible and its writings carried no mention of a place called he double toothpicks prior to this merging with the Persians.  It is true that it is a close call and that since the place the Zoroastrians describe is more like a Muslim Purgatory than the horrid place the bible spells out for us that they might have adopted the idea from the bible, but dominating societies rarely incorporate others religious concepts unless they, the lesser society, are totally assimilated into the society.  So what do you think?  Why such lofty titles for someone not a Jew?  How can someone not even close to the Jewish faith receive such a blessing from the Lord just for understanding it is a brotherhood?  What I read is if I understand that it is a brotherhood, practice it and live it, I can get the lords blessings.  Not just any blessings but some of the highest titles and praise possible???  And do you have any perspective on the time line in question?

    Loved the post and have a great day.

    justmarty

  • Hi Heather,

    You posted on my site twice now.  I guess I’m new at this xanga thing and the first time I was wondering how you found my site but evidently you can search and find things by subject.  Kind of cool.  I work with youth and decided to get a site just so I could keep in touch with my youth group kids.  But found I really like “blogging”  that is when my computer lets me on.  Anyway, now that I’ve found your site I will probably take a look around. 

    Have you read the book Lotus and the Cross by Ravi.  Excellent book.  I love the down to earth way he speaks about things. 

  • I loved this from the manuel on condemnation… way too often, people saved or lost can’t hear the whispering of God whether it be a sweet wooing or a stern conviction of His Spirit, over the judgemental screams of the human voice.  And I completely agree that once people find the loving trust relationship with the Lord, He will begin to deal with the disease of sin in their lives. Not to say that there aren’t times that we are called by Him to be that gentle voice of reason, but too often, it’s all about us and not about them.   Excellent post.

    By the way, hope you get some rest today… I find myself staring at the ceiling or the computer screen quite often these days… and the dark circles are becoming a natural extention of my face.  Ah, the blessings of mid-life and hormones.

    Be blessed today ~ Sherry

  • People respond much better to love.  When we love them where they’re at they are much more open and responsive to the call of the Holy Spirit.

    Have a blessed day!

    Michele

  • From my understanding of Isaiah 44:26 to 45:4 this talks about after the Jews had been in exile, and is a prophesy about the rebuilding of the temple, a prophesy that will be fulfilled in Ezra. This prophesy occurred 170 years before the 2nd temple was built.  Ezra 1:1-3. 

    It sort of reminds me of Revelation 17:17 talking about the kings, “For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast until the words of God are fulfilled.

    I am not sure where, but in the Old Testament God tells the people that he left the various enemies in the land to till it until it was ready for the Israelites to take the land, for that way the land was in good shape for them, and wild beasts did not multiply.

    God can use anyone to fulfill His purpose. And don’t forget that God also had a plan to graft in gentiles into His kingdom. God’s plans are more far reaching and complete than we perceive.

    As  you say about the double toothpicks, you may want to read the four Gospels, Jesus talks about this place quite a lot, I have to assume that because he is God Incarnate, He would know if such a place existed or not. I choose to trust His words.

    Heather

  • Amen to your post and the comment answer!  As bees to honey and not vinegar, people will come to God through love and not condemnation.We have to remember just as you said, Heather, it’s about a relationship.  WE must have a relationship with the Father and Jesus, so why do we suddenly think it’s OUR job to correct a new believer?  Can’t we see that the new believer must build a new relationship with God apart from us?  And just like we do, the person will receive correction from God from inside that relationship, and according to HIS timings and purpose, not ours.  Thank you for that reminder, we need to remember that Jesus said, “no man can come to me except the Father which sent me draw him.”  Blessings on your day!  Gerrie

  • That is a great thing that the lady in your book club was able to recognize that! I hope that Jesus’ love for others will become as evident in my life.

    “When we over-expose someone, we are not giving them any benefit, doubt or otherwise. We are condemning them, elevating ourselves and putting them down. We are saying, ‘I’m saved, born-again, spirit-filled, but you…you have the good sense to come to church with me, but…you don’t qualify yet.’” — that is definitely something I need to watch for. I love seeing my family and friends come to church, but I had better watch the way I act. Some days I need to remind myself that I don’t “qualify” either, not because of any thing that I have done. Thanks Heather!

  • You are very right regarding evangelism can be so different for different people, but the true thing about it is one’s daily lifestyle is observed more that their words are listened to.  If one let’s Christ’s love shine through them, they will have a greater impact than using human logic to win souls for Him.  But, this takes dicispline, the reason I made my book so highly applicational. Will everyone apply it. No.  Will some benefit from it. Yes, some even already have.

    GOD IS MORE INTERESTED IN YOUR WILLINGNESS TO BE USED THAN IN YOUR SKILLS AND ABILITIES, WHICH HE GIFTED YOU AND KNEW ABOUT.

  • I am so thrilled when I see how God is continuing to use you as He shines through your life. There are definitely some rough patches along the way, but thanks to God, while He doesn’t promise to take those away, He does promise His peace to us!         I hope that you get lots of rest this night. Loving prayers… Carolyn

  • Praying for your rest and healing,….

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