April 17, 2006

  • Before getting back to Revelation (or is it Back to the Future – we watched that movie this weekend), I just want to type out another chapter from our Discipleship Manuel by Pastor Don.


    This is another point Pastor Don emphasized in our six month Discipleship course, and sadly I have seen this in the churches I have attended, including ours. This is comes from Page 191 in The Discipleship Manuel by Pastor Don Moore (he hasn’t published it as a book yet, but I am encouraging him to do so. He got much of this from sitting at the feet of his Grandfather and Father as they pastored and administered churches).


    Go Behind Vultures


       This category of vultures is best described by an illustration. You invite guests for dinner and after the meal you wipe off the table and load the dishwasher. One of your guests rises and, to your surprise, begins to wipe off the table again, and to your utter amazement, fills the sink with water, takes the dishes out of the dishwasher, and proceeds to put them in the sink.
       Let’s do another illustration. A husband and wife are locked in a loving embrace, you go over, tap him on the shoulder and say “excuse me, let me show you how to hug her!” Both of these illustrations demonstrate how people can interrupt, disrupt, disrespect, and go behind someone to help where they’re not needed. They may have something worthwhile to offer but they are out of order and on an ego trip. Often they seek attention and recognition as a powerful saint – prayer warrior. Somehow they think that the job isn’t done until they minister to the person. Women seem more guilty in this area than men. The reason may be “coached” sports, where men are trained not to butt in or speak up until asked. After the Holy Spirit or the presiding minister has attended to the people, the vulture will zone in on the prey – unsaved, visitor or disturbed believers, to have a private prayer or counseling session. They take the hands of the prey so they can’t escape and pull them to a corner to be alone. With compassionate eyes they begin, “the Lord loves you so much and I have to tell you what God put on my heart to tell you….” The prey always asks later, “who was that person and what were they trying to do?” When the Holy Spirit has ministered to someone they are doing all they can to dwell in or understand the moment. The vulture, though well intentioned, overloads and adds confusion. Even as a pastor I must be careful not to go behind the Holy Spirit and re-do or un-do His work. If someone is having an experience with God, they don’t need us to go over and lay hands upon or pray or do anything. Hold what you think you have for another time or at least ask God and the minister what should be done.


             ***Self appointed apostles are sent ones—sent by self.


       The go-behind cleaner is flesh led and therefore must be taught and gently rebuked. They are easily offended and their need for importance will misinterpret correction. The vulture feels that what they have to offer is of paramount importance. “I hear from God and you are just holding me back” they’ll say! The hard core will even use the prey publicly in their testimonies of how God used them. A vulture that’s totally out of control will go behind the minister and lay hands on people again. The ultimate ego tripper will pick up those  slain in the spirit and give them a word and attempt to re-slay them. This calls for rebuke without any concern for their feelings, for this grieves the Holy Spirit. Ministry is not a show and people are not puppets to be manipulated; and an Amen goes right there.
       After praying with someone, be aware that after you leave the Holy Spirit continues His ministry. Also before you arrive He has begun to minister. When the unction comes to make an altar call, it is because God wants you to give people the opportunity to act in Faith in response to what He is doing.


         ***Let us hold the image in our hearts that we are not the surgeon,
                 but the maintenance man. At our best we create an atmosphere
                 for the surgeon to work in. Amen


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    Heather’s comments. This course on discipleship, which is the second time I have taken it, sure impacts me greatly and is so convicting. I once told Pastor Don that I walk away feeling I will never be able to do all that is taught, to keep the proper humility, and with a profound respect for what God needs from His servants. That was not Pastor Don’s heart in writing this manual, but I also realize that without God directing my path, there would be no way of doing any of it. Basically it involves being the instrument that is willing to be used by God as a servant to walk alongside others.


    One element that runs through the entire manual is Humility, not letting Ego guide one’s steps and actions. I think that when Pride rears its ugly head is when the disciple gets into trouble and pride comes in so many disguises.


    I have been the victim of a prayer vulture, and went up to Pastor Don and told him that someone wanted to pray with me, that I felt uncomfortable, backed off, turned and escaped, but was also worried because I did not want to do what was wrong. He told me (and this was early in my time at Living Word Chapel) that if someone wanted to pray for me I should tell them that Pastor Don told me to have them pray for me with Pastor Don present. That gave me a way out to protect myself. In fact, that is a good line to use when someone wants to pray for you and you have a check in your spirit about it, telling them that you would like your pastor present.


    I fear so much being a stumbling block on someone’s path. Never do I want to do something to impede a person’s progress toward or with God. And yet, I am certain that there are times that I have done just that. I just pray that God is more in control and my ego less, but trust me, I have far to go before that happens. I have much to learn.


    Well, back to the future (Revelation), maybe later on today, maybe tomorrow, depends. The kids have one last day off, two have gone with their dad to saw down a tree that fell this winter on our summer place (one day I’ll put up a picture, my husband loves the place, but to me it looks like something Charles Addams would construct. It is as one TV repair show states, “a real fixer-upper). The other one is going to come with me on the quest for the perfect hammock for his birthday, one that he can take camping with the scouts.


    Hoping you have a blessed day,


    Heather

Comments (16)

  • As I think about this, in my limited church experiences, I can see it being a definite problem.  I pray that I am kept from doing the same when and if I am tempted to do so.

    Actually, after service yesterday, which was really good, which is the first time in quite some time that I enjoyed and learned and felt the Spirit at the service.  I felt at the end as if MORE could have been done, MORE could have been said, MORE clarification, MORE shared,….I am thankful that I was not allowed to open my big mouth,..the Spirit was moving, and I am glad that for once, I kept my big paws off of someone else’s work,….

  • As long as you are sensitive to all this, and yielded to the Spirit and realize it’s not you but the Spirit that does the work, then God can use you.  And God and His Spirit will show you exactly where and when and how, when the time comes.  You’ll probably make mistakes, but I don’t think they will be the “vulture” kind :)    I love that you are always so hungry to learn, and willing to share with us.  Have a wonderful day, Heather!  Gerrie

  • Hi Heather, It’s nice to meet you! I enjoyed reading your thoughtful post. What a blessing it is for you to have the opportunity to attend these classes at your church. I look forward to reading more & hearing more from you.
    Blessings! ~ Susanne
    BTW ~ we live in Western NY.

  • Wonderful post, Heather.

    Have a blessed day!

    Michele

  • I’ve been on both sides–the vulture and the prey. We have to remember to die to ourselves–get rid of our selfish desire to make a difference because it makes US look good. We have to be aware of the condition of our hearts, and know that we make a difference in people’s lives when we do it for God and God alone.

  • Have a beautiful Monday Heather!!!  ~Gena~

  • Wow, what a visual this is…vultures are nasty creatures!  Good post.

    Mike

  • Hi Heather!  Hope you  had a great Easter as well!

  • Hi Heather…

    Thanks for the comments. Pray that you had a wonderful and blessed Easter as well. We did. Also thanks for continuing in prayer for the other kids from Nepal that are at the school with our son. Have a blessed evening!

    Phil

  • Interesting idea from Beth Moore’s study. I really like it!

  • Hey Heather! Thanks for your encouraging comment, as well as your subscription. Thanks for sharing this interesting portion of your pastor’s discipleship manual. I’ve not experienced this myself, though I could see how it could be a problem. So very many ways that pride and self can manifest, even through those seeking to honor God and minister to others. Thanks for this important reminder that even when seeking to minister, we need to wait on the Lord, let Him lead, give due deference to authority, and act sensitively and appropriately in all we do.

    God richly bless you this week!

    Glenn

  • Hope you had a wonderful Easter!  God bless you Heather! -Always, E

  • Good post, I think if we would ask the Holy Spirit for guidance and then LISTEN we would do much better in our walk. I also have done both… but have learned in the past few years the art of listening.. thank God.

  • I hope you do continue to work on Pastor Don to publish his Discipleship Manuel.  That would definitely be something worth having in our private library.  Be blessed this week. ~Sherry

  • Hello, I’m glad to see you stopped by.

  • I would be interested in purchasing a copy of the manual if it gets to print, whether by copier or publishing house,….

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