February 28, 2006

  • The Seventh Seal is opened, and it is the prelude to the seven trumpets. Man will have faced the repercussions of his sin, and now God will start responding to the earth, with the start of the tribulation.


    When the 7th seal is opened, an angel comes out and is carrying a golden censer, standing before the altar, and offers it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar.


    The smoke of the incense and the prayers of the saints ascend before God.


    Then the angel takes the censer and fills it with fire from the altar and throws it to earth, and there are noises, lightning and thunderings and an earthquake.


    An aside, did you ever notice how the book of Joshua seems to parallel Revelation? I will share a few points to get you started, but there are many comparisons. That is what I love about the Bible, you find picture illustrations in the Old Testament of the New Testament principles.


    7 Trumpets in Revelation – Joshua marched 7 days around Jericho then blew the trumpets.


    Joshua means Jesus.


    Joshua leads the people into a land where there were battles to be fought to rout out the usurpers. Jesus will lead the army in Revelation into the promised land to rout out the usurpers.


    How many usurpers were there in the promised land in Joshua? According to Genesis 15, there were 10, the 10 nations mentioned in Daniel 7 and 10. Remember the horns coming out of the beast and the 10 toes of Daniel.


    God’s people were in Egypt for 400 years. The Jews were dispersed until the 1940′s after the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D.


    2 spies are sent in to scope out the land, and in Revelation, two witnesses come to share God’s word.


    In Revelation 7, before the trumpets are sounded the remnant 144,000 are marked, and before Joshua moved his army they too were marked by circumcision.


    In Joshua the sun stands still, and in Revelation there are signs in the sun, moon and stars.


    And in Joshua, even though he fought, more were killed by God than by the sword, and the same will be true in Revelation when Jesus comes forth with His Word.


    This is just a few ideas kicking around in my head, but there are many others. I have often prayed that I would one day be a person who could have a relationship with God like Joshua son of Nun.


    Back to Revelation Chapter 8: verse 1. When the seal is opened there will be silence in heaven for 1/2 hour. This will be most unusual for what we have seen in Revelation 4 & 5 is a continual worshipping and praise of God, that silence will have such an ominous lack of sound. Perhaps it is God listening, but after that silence will come such a tremendous amount of suffering as God begins cleansing the earth.


    And yet, in the midst of all the terror there is still the hope that some will repent and be saved. Sometimes (at least in my life) we need a wake-up call to realize that we do need God. I had to get to a pretty low point in my life before I reached out to God, and I am certain that with His great love for us, that He too hopes that people will wake up. You will see angels making announcements in heaven, the two witnesses being sent, the 144,000. God is really trying to reach man. We are fortunate for we are there with God at this time of tribulation, for God did not appoint us to wrath. (again, I know there are differing beliefs about this, but I am believing what God has promised, and truth be told, it will work out just as God ordains). My goal is just to show God’s love to as many as possible so that they come to know the incredible love of Jesus and accept Jesus into their lives, and the denominational beliefs are secondary to that.


    I will share more about how I came to the belief that we are in heaven during this through Bible passages that seem to indicate that. But, that has to be at a later time.


    Hope you have a blessed day!


    Heather


     


     

Comments (14)

  • Again, great entry. Yes, the Bible does point that we are in heaven and it’s often missed!

  • Those parallels to Joshua are great. I look for that stuff all the time, but you’ve really nailed it. Excellent.

  • Thanks for a great post.  Have a blessed week!

  • I had never noticed the parallels to Joshua, definately bear some looking at.  Thanks for this info.

    Tim

  • thank you for your response. yes, i agree that what truly matters is what God sees and not what the world sees. but i still need to resolve my prejudices against pentecostals. i hate labeling, but it happens all the time, whether it is innate or expressed. deep down, it bothers me. anyway…thanks heather. keep up your wonderful commentaries on Revelation! =)

  • I also think your parallel is interesting, but it does nto amtter if Joshua islike REvelation, except that there is a dispensation? IT is done twice, that in history God is doing two things always, i’m not making sense, and this is a truly pentecostal opinion….

    Just recently i’ve been thinking how God is truly a God of wrath, and that at the end the wrath of God will be His wrath, not the end conclusion we ahve sown for ourseleves but Him giving us what we deserve. HAve you read REvelations 11:18?
    REvelations eleven is very important to me, especially the two witnesses. When i think about revolution, and about radical change, i have come to a place where i now know that there are not perfect solutions. Perfect solutions is a western persepctive. And so too, that as we serve God there is time when we are to join in God pouring wrath on the peoples of this earth, but we are not to use our fists, just be instruments of prayer….

  • God told Joshua, “When you hear them sound a long blast on the trumpets, have all the people give a loud shout; then the wall of the city will collapse and the people will go up, every man straight in (Joshua 6:5).” And then we find that “When the trumpets sounded, the people shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the people gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so every man charged straight in, and they took the city (Joshua 6:20).”

    Notice that it was not the trumpets that collapsed the walls of the city, but the people’s obedience and their shout after they heard the trumpets. Trumpets were always used to announce something important was about to happen. That is what they do in Revelation.

    My other questions go back to Bible basics: “How can the nation of Israel be restored when there were absolutely no promises given to it before or after the Romans destroyed it? The promise of nation restoration that everyone quotes happens a long time before when Israel was going to inherit the promised land. In Joshua we read Joshua giving the Israelites this little speech: “Now I am about to go the way of all the earth. You know with all your heart and soul that not one of all the good promises the LORD your God gave you has failed. Every promise has been fulfilled; not one has failed. But just as every good promise of the LORD your God has come true, so the LORD will bring on you all the evil he has threatened, until he has destroyed you from this good land he has given you. If you violate the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and go and serve other gods and bow down to them, the LORD’S anger will burn against you, and you will quickly perish from the good land he has given you (Joshua 23:14-16).”

    If all of the Lord’s promises were fulfilled for Israel and all the land was given them, why do we look to 1948 as the restoration of Israel? God’s promises were always contingent upon them following Him. When they did not, they were condemned. When they failed to recognize God’s One and only Son, Jesus Christ, He cursed them (Matthew 24) and told them that Jerusalem would be destroyed. He never mentions a restoration, a rebuilding, a reestablishment of the temple, except spiritually (John 4). Paul reiterates this as well: “For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people (2 Corinthians 6:16).” To think otherwise, in fact, is paganism – not my words – Paul’s!

    This is why Peter relates that Christians are “a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy (1 Peter 2:9-10).” Only those who place their faith and trust in Christ are the Holy Nation of God.

    The trumpets, seals, announcements in Revelation are for seven churches who were going to face persecution and would wonder why in the world Jerusalem and the temple would be totally destroyed. God explains it to John so the church can have hope in a dynamic and threatening situation.

    I used to read every new book that came out by those who said they knew how to tell me what Revelations meant, who the antichrist would be, or when Jesus might return. I discovered that the words of David ring true: “Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God (Psalm 20:7).” When we begin to trust what others say rather than what Scriptures tell us, we are not trusting in the Lord our God. His Word tells us exactly what we need to know without any guess work or supposition. When we begin to bring in charts, graphs, and try to punish the Word by making it fit into scenarios it was never meant to, we are distorting the Word just as much as those who belong to cults do. Daniel tells you exactly why, what, and to whom it was written. As does Ezekiel and Revelations. We have distorted the message for personal gain and recognition and can fail to see the simple truth it contains.

    You need not worry one whit about tribulation, numbers on your forehead, who the antichrist is, or being deceived if you know the Lord and follow Him daily. He will return when He is told to and not one moment sooner. Each day brings us closer.

    “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life. I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.

    Notice what word is repeated over and over? COME! Come to Christ, come to the truth, come to the certainty of the resurrection. Those who come to Christ never have to be afraid or fear anything. It is the testimony of Jesus. Praise the Lord, that is the message of Revelation.

  • Pastor Blastor it is clear that you have a very DEFINITE opinion on Revelation and that is good. I am glad for you, but I disagree. But no matter what opinion we have, the truth is that God wins/satan loses, and ultimately that is the most important truth. I am going to continue sharing what I have learned with my studies, and I am certain that we will agree to disagree.

    Heather

  • thank you for sharing! It is soo neat how God connects His word all together to make more sense! i’m in awe of Him and am soooooo grateful to have His word! I hope you are doing well! Have a wonderful day!

  • Amen sister, the book of Daniel speaks very clearly of the “one week” that is yet to be fullfilled which is “the time of Jacob’s or Israel’s trouble” and we must understand that Daniel was given a revelation of what was to come for his people, not Jesus’s bride to finish the seventy weeks.

    Everyone must work out their own salvation with fear and trembling and check their spirit to see if they are ”rightly dividing the word of truth.”

    Perry Stone has excellent teaching on this also.

    Keep up the good work. Thanks. 

  • Yes we can disagree and the only reason I respond is to show that there are other views concerning the end times. In reality it does not matter because Jesus will return when He does and we had better be ready. The real problem I have is when folks make it a matter of salvation or true spirituality. Not that you do, because I do not think you do.

    I am old enough to remember when Russia placed nukes in Cuba when many radical evangelicals, LaHaye and Lindsey to name two, were telling folks that the time was near and Jesus would return by 1970. It did not happen. Then they said it would be in the 80s. It did not happen. Then they changed their date setting to the 90s, then the year 2000 or wait… 2001! It did not happen. (By the way, LaHaye and his wife, as Christians, used to speak, promote, and belong to the John Birch Society, for what it is worth.)

    Two extremely good books that relate the history, facts, and theology of these folks are “Last Days Madness,” by DeMar and a better book is “End Time Visions, the Road to Armageddon?” by Richard Abanes. Both give you a good view of the history of the theology of some of these people.

    Abanes’ book relates where many of these folks get their theology. It may open your eyes and perhaps help you to see this in a different perspective.

    What you may not realize is that I taught this for years just the way you are, believing that you had to read Daniel, Ezekiel, Amos, Joel, and Revelations and try to make them all fit. That Jesus’ return was just around the corner. It had to be because so many of the “signs” were in place. Sure, we could not know the day or hour, but were we not warned to be aware of the signs? I had literally hundreds of books and whole bookcases full of books by Criswell, Lindsey, LaHaye, Combey, Hunt, and others at that time. Then, I was challenged to read the Bible without any of these “helps,” and to study early Christian history.

    Read about Millerites, Darby, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormonism – their theology on the last days, how it came about and how it has evolved into what many unsuspecting Christians are taught today. It has nothing to do with historical orthodox (meaning right teaching) Christian doctrinal theology.

    Another good book, although the author has fallen quite a bit, is “Christianity in Crisis,” by Hank Hanegraaff. Most of it was researched not by him, but by the Christian Research Institute and still contains good relevant information.

    When I discovered where the theology of these folks evolved from, I threw every book away except for a few that I keep when I teach classes to pastors about cults.

    I grew up in the New Age Movement and my father was a devout Catholic. My Uncle was an area Bishop in the Catholic Church. My sister was a witch (not her attitude but belief) and my brother was a Rosicrucian. He now has come to Christ. I came to Christ at 23 years old. I am trained in all the major faith practices in their history, theology, and evolution. I have written extensively on the Hindu and New Age influence on the church today. I am trained and conduct seminars on cults, occult, other faith practices, and world religions including Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, TBN, Islam, Hinduism, New Age, Buddhism, and Catholicism. I have studied how, where, and why we have our Bible, the differing translations and how they have influenced the church.

    So while what I write may seem to disagree, my approach is always to try to help folks to read their Bibles more deeply without reading the latest Left Behind book or to get involved in the latest Christian fad. More folks need to stop listening to the CD of the month and begin to study Scripture and church history on their own. Including the Reformation. Why it was fought, who fought it, what they believed and why and how much of what you may adhere to today has come through a process of going back to biblical truth as found in Scripture. Not fads, books, or philosophies that focus on people’s fear of an amoral world.

    I apologize if I came across in any way as disagreeable. That is never my intent. Our faith must be based on what is real and true, not on wishful thinking, emotions, or feelings. Loving God and loving others is our priori as Christians.

    In His Mercy and Grace…

  • Dear Pastor Blastor, In reality, all I have been reading is the Bible. I do not read the Left Behind books, or Hal Lindsey or any other tome. I have been doing a Kay Arthur study and using only the Bible in this. And I do not even know what you mean by CD of the month.

    In reality, I think you are set in your tradition, and since I only came to Christ four years ago, I do not have the benefit of reading tons of tomes. What brought me to God is the Bible, and it is the Bible that I study.

    Heather

  • Wow.  I’m thinking someone needs to shorten their responses… it’s impolite to blog in the comment section… let alone twice!  Ho. LEE. Cow.

    The second comment I have to make (in regards to what I’m reading here in the comments) is that he can site more sources than I even know, and yet insinuates that you are using secondary sources.  Pot-Kettle-Black.  Any credibility he might have had is lost right there… that’s on top of comment protocol and plain, old fashioned manners.

    Thirdly, your commentor says, “How can the nation of Israel be restored when there were absolutely no promises given to it before or after the Romans destroyed it? The promise of nation restoration that everyone quotes happens a long time before when Israel was going to inherit the promised land.”  That’s laughable – first he says there’s no promise before or after, and in the very next sentence he says there’s a promise before.  Methinks someone’s trying to sound intelligent and not succeeding,  Further, for someone who claims to have read his Bible without helps, he certainly missed Daniel – who promises full restoration at the end of a series of kingdoms, which has not to date been fulfilled.  Revelation promises full restoration – not accomplished in 1948 (although most students of prophecy agree that that would be the beginning of the “birth pangs” mentioned in Luke) -  present conditions in the Middle East attest that it’s still to come… and that’s LONG after the fall of the Romans (although not the fall of the Revived Roman Empire, which is currently formed and known as the European Union). 

    By the way, beware false prophets coming in, agreeing to disagree.  That in itself is against scripture. (1 Corinthians 1:10.)  We are to be sure that our doctrine is Truth, with no divisions, that would cause not only strife but lack of credibility to a lost and dying world.

    I would consider blocking or at least deleting poison that contradicts scripture (and himself).  It serves only to discourage you and to confuse your readers… and Revelation is confusing enough without that.

  • “Wherefore comfort one and other with these words” I Thessalonians 4:18.

    “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” Luke 21:36

    There is a huge move in the body right now to discredit the rapture of the church and make it the churches job to get the earth ready and cleaned up for His return? I thought that was the Holy Spirit’s job and does’nt Jesus say it will get worse until He comes for His bride?

    Read the Jewish wedding tradition by Zola Levitt, it totally describes the return of our betrothed husband to steal us away, it’s beautiful.

    Could this be the scripture that says “becasue they received not the love of the truth they were deceived by a strong lie?

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