February 17, 2006
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I had a question given to me about mediums and how some of the new age thinking seems very Christian. I posted this answer when asked about the Witch of Endor. Most of you who know me (testimony 10/7/05) know that I spent years in the occult, and when I first came to Christianity I believed that the occult was not all that bad, for there were good witches and bad witches, good use of occult powers and bad use of occult powers. It took time for me to realize that this was not true. That often evil will disguise itself as good, to lure away an unsuspecting person, and then later reveal itself for what it is, until the person feels that they have been defeated and can no longer turn to God. This is a bold faced lie, and I thought that maybe the answer I posted might be helpful to some. I also look forward to hearing how you approach someone who is in the occult to show them that it is not what it seems to be.
Having been in the occult, I know that answers such as you will go to Hell believing what you believe will not penetrate in most instances, that you have to take a person from where they are and show them how you come to the conclusions you come to in a loving and caring way. I really suspect that most that turn to the occult do so because they are seeking love and acceptance somewhere. That there is a lack in their life, and the control that the occult seems to offer is a safety factor for people, and less scary than trust or faith in God.
Anyway, here is an answer I gave to someone.
Thanks for coming to my site! I do wish you would read the book, The Beautiful Side of Evil by Johanna Michaelsen. I understand that you are believing that the medium work you are doing and the spirits that you are contacting are meant for good, but remember that there is satan who will deceive people, and seeks to mirror true experiences from God.
Before speaking about the witch of Endor you may want to recall that the reason Saul sought her is because he did not obey God and God removed the Holy Spirit from Saul and passed it on to David. In those days, unlike Christians who have the Holy Spirit today, the Holy Spirit would stay with a selected person until there was a reason for Him to move on.
In I Samuel 16 Saul realized that the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul and that a distressing spirit troubled him. He became very jealous of David and repeatedly tried to kill David, but David acted honorably, choosing to let God deal with Saul. God is the one that made the commandment to come to Him, not to a medium or witch or sorcerer, and Saul initially forbade them to be in Israel. For a time he obeyed God, but when, after a life-time of disobedience to God, Saul’s encampment was surrounded by Philistines, Saul got scared (chapter 28), and disguised himself (did not go as whom he was) and sought the Witch of Endor because God was not speaking to Saul. She might have physically fed him, but the message she gave him was not comforting. She saw Samuel (although I believe it was a familar spirit that looked like Samuel) who pronounced in verse 19 “Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me…” That means that Saul and his sons were to be killed in this battle. That would not have been a comforting message.
When people say that they are mediums I often wonder the source of what they are receiving. See, satan will counterfeit everything God does. You can see that in the book of Revelation when the beast receives a mortal wound and is raised up. The spirits that you may be seeking may look good externally, but pray and ask God to reveal what they really are to you. Often they are not the etheral spirits that one thinks.
Once a person is dead they do not return to the earth as spirits, nor do they return in reincarnation. There is no Biblical proof of that. If we have asked Jesus to be the ruler in our lives and repented of our sins, and asked Jesus to forgive us, the Bible passage 2 Corinthians 5:8 “We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.” When we, as Christians die, we are present with Jesus, and I guarantee that we will not be seeking the earth or people on the earth, for we will be fulfilled in the place that Jesus prepared for us. He knows us so well that he knows the number of hairs on our head. No way will He not prepare a wonderful place for us.
Those who do not know Jesus are sent to Death and Hades, where they will wait until the end times for a chance to face the judgement seat of God, and God will judge their deeds. I would not want to be in that group because I know that, while I do good, I could never do enough good, or be perfect, that there are sins that I needed forgiving for. I needed Jesus to cleanse me.
There are many people, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers, who do speak words of truth and wisdom over people. This is not to be confused with mediums, for these people are getting their information straight from the Holy Spirit and God, and what they share with people will bring them closer to God.
One interesting study to do is to check out the reaction of people whom Jesus healed. When they were healed they always praised God, they never praised Jesus. Jesus made the focus of the healed peoples’ worship– God, not himself. Many of the secular mediums are more intersted in THEIR prophesies, THEIR true statements, not that it would bring people to God.
A demon can imitate an angel of light, a demon can imitate a spiritual being, a demon can imitate a dead person, a demon can read us so well by our actions and words to know what we want to hear and play back “comforting” words to us, to make us feel better, to get us to believe a lie. And a demon knows the word of God so well (look at the temptation of Jesus) for demons, before they became fallen angels, were up in Heaven in God’s praise and worship choir, they know what God said and can use the spiritual words, with a twist, to lead a person astray. Please be careful what and whom you invoke.
Many people spend their lives looking for the supernatural, in big and grand things, but miss the supernatural in the little things like the Word of God, like the blessing of a new day, like a small act of kindness, a spiritual insight. Often God works so quietly that we don’t observe Him behind the scenes.
From the occult studies I have done, I can honestly tell you that dealing in the realm of mediums can leave one open for trouble. But, God will use you if you are open, honest, humble, and willing to obey Him, and it may seem to be the same sort of power used, but trust me, the focus is different.
I hope this is clear, I still recommend reading that book and finding a good pastor that you trust to talk with regarding these issues. Pastor Don spent endless hours with me sorting out much of this,
Heather
Comments (27)
Good post with good info.
Larry
Morning Heather! I’m learning more and more about you girl! Love what God has done and brought you from! Have a blessed day! ~Gena~
You have come through alot and have wisdom to share! And remember that even a paun can win in the end!!
Heather, well said! I often think that while the bad things you (or any of us) have gone through are awful, they have prepared us to work for God in a specific way and with a specific group. Your experiences have given you a certain credibility with folks who dabble or are deeply involved in the occult. God has turned what was evil into something good.
Tim
That was very good information and message to give to others like you did! There is nothing I could add to it, for it was sound and powerful!
Lord be Glorified!
I like all that infomormation. I’m dealing with something very wierd right now. If you read my entry before the current one. it talks about it. And because you were in the occult. I would like your point of view of what happend.
Chrisitna
Very good response to the person in question! God is pleased!
Oh, Heather, should you doubt your purpose, please remember how God has taken your past and is now using it to touch so many! Your response was amazing and from the heart…And you are so right, people need to know how much we care, before they will ever care how much we know!
Also, I read the book you referenced many years ago…I thought it was a great book! I have never heard anyone else speak about it!
With much love and many prayers,
Paula
“There are many people, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers, who do speak words of truth and wisdom over people. This is not to be confused with mediums, for these people are getting their information straight from the Holy Spirit and God, and what they share with people will bring them closer to God.”
Well said, Heather. Well said.
I know very little about you … Have you ever published a book? If not, I encourage you to ask God to see if He wants you to write a book about your testimony, especially in your occult experience. I am sure if it’s His will, He will open a door for you in His time.
what do you believe about animals and heaven..Will there be animals there with us? They are an amazing comfort
How well stated; “often evil will disguise itself as good”. I know Christians who do NOT understand this concept. You made several very good observations, thanks for being so clear on this issue!
How did you come to find Christianity and are of a denomination? The post was very interesting!
I agree with Paula. The Bible says the things we go through are for the purpose of us helping others later from our experiences and lessons learned. Someone dabbling in the occult would listen to you better than someone like me, for instance, because you know what you’re talking about first-hand. Thank you for your willingness to share and be open about this, it helps us all, whether we “have questions” or not. God bless you! Gerrie
I enjoy seeing Jesus in the little things. I was just feeling unappreciated the other day and I went to work and there was a beautiful thank you note from the lady I work for. I went to clean her bathroom and she had a devotion opened up right at the page where I needed to see. I saw God just reinforcing how much He loves and cares for me by giving me what I needed when I needed it.
Love ya, Darlena
GREAT post, w/ good info! I have people who are involved w/ Wicca in my family… Though they smile to my face, I feel they have ought toward me…they are not open to the gospel and I’ve been seeking God on what to say…thanks so much for this post!
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heather, your posts are well thought out as always. peace to you – :: stoker
Thanks for visiting my site. Your post was very interesting. I think the one of the best ways to share the gospel is through relationship and just sharing your story. I will have to read your story sometime.
RYC: It is a very good book, but also a dangerous book. People who read it could use it to justify actions that are disobedient to God if their hearts are not in the right place. But if you read it with a pure heart to relize how much we read the Bible through glasses colored with our American culture and pur place in history and that can cause us to miss out on who God really is. If you read the book – please come visit and discuss, also try to find discussion partners who you trust to be open but grounded.
I’ve been blogging for about 2 weeks and I ove meeting new people and the encourage conversation that takes place. I’m more of a talker that a writter so sometimes my time spent blogging takes longer than it should. I love relationships and conversations and I often wish I had more time for this. Please visit me again as I will try to visit you. Just be patient and forgive me if I’m a little slow in response.
Thanks and God Bless!
Thanks for dropping by! I’m so glad you did because then I wouldn’t have been able to read such a “rich” post! Look forward to reading more!
thankyou for your prayers
We won a heart to Christ with my current subject. A young male. He was in an accult and changed his xanga site to something of better character and he’s asking lots of Spiritual questions about the lord. Amen! Hua?
Xanga is a new blessing I have discovered.
Annette
I’ll send him to you if those questions get too hard.
Your a blessing. Your foundations seems stronger.
Annette
I just finished reading your testimony – 10-07-05. WOW! God is using you so much. I am so thrilled with how God brought you to Himself. Thank you for sharing . . . you’ve grown so much in the Lord, & HE has such wonderful things even yet in store for you! You honor HIM & bring glory to HIM!! Jeremiah 29: 11-14a (NKJV) For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you,” declares the LORD, “and will bring you back from captivity.
Does it say anywhere in scripture that demons or other spirits can read our minds, or not? Just curious, I know they can impart mindful things.
Annette
Very interesting, —-did you know that satan has ministers too? and satan transforms himself into an angel of LIGHT{we all know he is an angel…..pure evil of course}But transforms himself INTO an angel OF LIGHT.——and HIS ANGELS as Ministers of Rightiousness. I know a lil bit about the occult but not much{my son knew some people in one} any way please Pray for my son , and me{if u want to know why then u may go read my entry, if you have time. God Bless You So Much My sister…..Marie
Like your study of Revelations. I have taught it in the past, also.
Thanks for your testimony.
I cannot imagine the struggles you have gone through AND what people are going through now, especially with occults and the pressure to join is so strong now. The media (and the devil) is making witchcraft like its not a “big deal” so people just shrug and be part of witchcraft without being truly aware of what is going on. I will definitely consider reading the book and it may be a big help in our ministry.
I have heard that the devil can heal and has ministers…but the healing is only decieving and only lasts for a short while. I think that is very scary because when someone sees a person “supposingly healed” but then that very person succumbs to their old ways (when people thought God healed that person) It starts their DOUBTS in God that he even healed in the first place.
I just GOT back on the computer and I definitely will return and read more of your blogs when I’m not so tired.
Plus.. I’ve never forgotten your testimony with witchcraft etc. many months ago.
Heather, I just read: The Beautiful Side of Evil by Johanna Michaelsen. Thanks for recommending it! Do you ever hear of Johanna Michaelsen speaking anywhere? I would love to hear her!